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02-02-2008, 09:07 PM
Post subject: Am I being result orientated....?
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Opp is something crazy like 67/23 over 100+ hands (he calls practically everything) and the rest of the table is nitty which is why I limped here. I guess some people will say fold pre. Anyhoo, how's the rest of the hand look?
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
SB ($25)
BB ($31.55)
UTG ($42.95)
MP ($39.10)
Hero ($34.65)
Button ($25.20)
Preflop: Hero is CO with T , J .
1 fold, MP calls $0.25, Hero calls $0.25, 2 folds, BB checks.
Flop: ($0.85) 9 , Q, 9 (3 players)
BB bets $0.75, MP calls $0.75, Hero calls $0.75.
Turn: ($3.10) K (3 players)
BB checks, MP bets $1, Hero raises to $3.5, BB folds, MP raises to $7, Hero calls $2.50.
River: ($16.10) 6 (2 players)
MP bets $15, Hero calls and pukes at opp showing  
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IowaSkinsFan
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I mean it sucks but yeah you should call no doubt. I probably 4bet turn though.
and please go back to your muppet avatar that one was awesome
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will641
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Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan
I mean it sucks but yeah you should call no doubt. I probably 4bet turn though.
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meeloche
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kevster
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Thx guys.
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please go back to your muppet avatar that one was awesome
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speedcake
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lol this avatar is pretty mesmerizing.
And ya, cooler all the way.
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bode
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cooler def. get it AI on the turn for sure.
I agree with ISF on the avatar issue. I really dont think that chic is hot at all.
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Marshall28
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UHHH, I disagree w/ everyone that this is a cooler.
IMO like, this is really bad. This is one of the biggest reasons we have to raise preflop, going broke in limped pots w/ less than like 2nd or 3rd nuts is almost always a mistake. It looked pretty obvious to me that by the time villain put the 3rd raise in on the turn that he had a boat. LOL, did you not see that the board was paired?
If you have position on a player who is calling 76% of hands preflop, and you have any type of hand that plays decent on a flop you HAVE to be raising this guy. You are giving up so much by just limping and allowing everyone else to limp, or allowing someone else to take the initiative to isolate him. Isolating is sooooooooooooosososooooooooo important. I would have been isolating this guy like 35% of the time, maybe more. You want to build bigger pots preflop against him because you have position and he is going to be in there w/ weaker holdings way way too often. This allows you to build bigger pots in good situations for you, and to back off when the situation appears bad. Limping was your 1st mistake, deciding to go broke w/ a straight in a limped pot on a paired board was your 2nd.
sorry dude this wasn't a cooler
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Jack Sawyer
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Originally Posted by Marshall28
Isolating is sooooooooooooosososooooooooo important.
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meeloche
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Originally Posted by Marshall28
UHHH, I disagree w/ everyone that this is a cooler.
IMO like, this is really bad. This is one of the biggest reasons we have to raise preflop, going broke in limped pots w/ less than like 2nd or 3rd nuts is almost always a mistake. It looked pretty obvious to me that by the time villain put the 3rd raise in on the turn that he had a boat. LOL, did you not see that the board was paired?
If you have position on a player who is calling 76% of hands preflop, and you have any type of hand that plays decent on a flop you HAVE to be raising this guy. You are giving up so much by just limping and allowing everyone else to limp, or allowing someone else to take the initiative to isolate him. Isolating is sooooooooooooosososooooooooo important. I would have been isolating this guy like 35% of the time, maybe more. You want to build bigger pots preflop against him because you have position and he is going to be in there w/ weaker holdings way way too often. This allows you to build bigger pots in good situations for you, and to back off when the situation appears bad. Limping was your 1st mistake, deciding to go broke w/ a straight in a limped pot on a paired board was your 2nd.
sorry dude this wasn't a cooler
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If this is above 25 nl I agree 100%. However since it isn't I don't think we need to worry about preflop as much since building a pot postflop at these stakes isn't hard. A bare King, Queen and 9 are a huge % of villains range, which we crush which makes it a cooler postflop imo.
Preflop is a preference at these stakes imo and limping a marginal hand in this spot instead of building a multiway pot oop with a marginal hand isn't as bad as you made it out to be.
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Marshall I agree that we should raise this preflop but are you saying we shouldnt be stacking off postflop here?
Id guess villain has loads of 9x hands and maybe even a Kx here.
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Marshall28
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If you raised it preflop then it's no longer a cooler postflop because he can definitely be in there w/ weaker holdings than a boat, specifically, as you said, a naked 9 : )
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Marshall28
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Originally Posted by Marshall28
UHHH, I disagree w/ everyone that this is a cooler.
IMO like, this is really bad. This is one of the biggest reasons we have to raise preflop, going broke in limped pots w/ less than like 2nd or 3rd nuts is almost always a mistake. It looked pretty obvious to me that by the time villain put the 3rd raise in on the turn that he had a boat. LOL, did you not see that the board was paired?
If you have position on a player who is calling 76% of hands preflop, and you have any type of hand that plays decent on a flop you HAVE to be raising this guy. You are giving up so much by just limping and allowing everyone else to limp, or allowing someone else to take the initiative to isolate him. Isolating is sooooooooooooosososooooooooo important. I would have been isolating this guy like 35% of the time, maybe more. You want to build bigger pots preflop against him because you have position and he is going to be in there w/ weaker holdings way way too often. This allows you to build bigger pots in good situations for you, and to back off when the situation appears bad. Limping was your 1st mistake, deciding to go broke w/ a straight in a limped pot on a paired board was your 2nd.
sorry dude this wasn't a cooler
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If this is above 25 nl I agree 100%. However since it isn't I don't think we need to worry about preflop as much since building a pot postflop at these stakes isn't hard. A bare King, Queen and 9 are a huge % of villains range, which we crush which makes it a cooler postflop imo.
Preflop is a preference at these stakes imo and limping a marginal hand in this spot instead of building a multiway pot oop with a marginal hand isn't as bad as you made it out to be. |
When there is no money in the pot, the % equity of your hand has to be greater than the average sum of his range. By limping and playing hands like this, you are just creating sick reverse implied odds situations for yourself.
I wouldn't ever encourage anyone to constantly limp.
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will641
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Originally Posted by Marshall28
Isolating is sooooooooooooosososooooooooo important.
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too bad there isn't a bigger size font |
yeah limping here was pretty bad.
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