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JeffreyGB
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07-28-2007, 07:32 PM
Post subject: AKs postflop 3-bet pot
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The guy to my left was making a lot of 3-bets to my positional raises. I'm sure he has a wide range - enough so that a 4-bet is reasonable. SB, however, is our standard Tag-Nit. I have a hard time giving him a wider range preflop than TT+/AK. Thoughts?
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
BB ($229.80)
Hero ($197)
MP ($200)
Button ($403.40)
SB ($234.30)
Preflop: Hero is UTG with K , A.
Hero raises to $7, MP raises to $24, 1 fold, SB calls $23, 1 fold, Hero calls $17.
Flop: ($74) Q , 8, J (3 players)
SB bets $42, Hero raises to $173 (All-In), MP folds, SB calls $131.
Turn: ($417) 2 (2 players, 1 all-in)
River: ($417) 2 (2 players, 1 all-in)
Final Pot: $417
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Looks good to me.
I would be worried about QQ or JJ (that's what I guess he ended up having) but probably end up shoving anyways.
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bigspenda73
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there's another way to play this?
I guess you could 4bet PF.
Yuck I just realized SB coldcalled the 3bet, shit, has to be JJ/88 but whatevs, you have 11 clean outs in a 3bet pot then, the money is going in.
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JeffreyGB
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Originally Posted by bigspenda73
there's another way to play this?
I guess you could 4bet PF.
Yuck I just realized SB coldcalled the 3bet, shit, has to be JJ/88 but whatevs, you have 12 clean outs in a 3bet pot then, the money is going in.
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I definetely don't fold pre, I see a lot of merits in fourbetting, but calling seems fine/better also.
Flop is standard.
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flop is standard IMO.
Preflop though you gotta shove IMO and why not. i think its too passive to play it like this.
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Jman: every time the action is to you, it's an opportunity for you to make the perfect play.
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bigspenda73
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Originally Posted by JeffreyGB
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Originally Posted by bigspenda73
there's another way to play this?
I guess you could 4bet PF.
Yuck I just realized SB coldcalled the 3bet, shit, has to be JJ/88 but whatevs, you have 12 clean outs in a 3bet pot then, the money is going in.
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Qc not clean
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Originally Posted by JeffreyGB
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Originally Posted by bigspenda73
there's another way to play this?
I guess you could 4bet PF.
Yuck I just realized SB coldcalled the 3bet, shit, has to be JJ/88 but whatevs, you have 12 clean outs in a 3bet pot then, the money is going in.
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Qc not clean |
How many cards are there of each suit Spenda?
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I don't get why you insist on stacking off with like jack high all the time.
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8 clean clubs 3 T's that aren't clubs.
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JeffreyGB
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Originally Posted by Da GOAT
flop is standard IMO.
Preflop though you gotta shove IMO and why not. i think its too passive to play it like this.
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One of my thoughts with the hand was that 4-betting pre could have been better. I'm still not sure though - I can get paid off when I hit here pretty easily (check-raise), and get away much cheaper when I don't. Further, a total nit called the 3-bet from the SB. There's no way he has a weak hand here. I might get folds from some of the hands I'm flipping (and I suppose you could argue that he usually reraises the hands that dominate me), but I think he usually comes along either way.
The other half of the question was if we like the shove figuring that he will almost always have at least KK/AK, and as often as not have a set. We're just under 35% with no real FE if he has a set, and even money if he has KK/AA. We're almost a 70% favorite against another AK. Do we want to get it in when we only have FE against the hand we have solidly beat? I think it's actually pretty close.
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Qc not clean
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Quite true. My bad.
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i think shoving pre is slightly better given the dynamics you described; flop is hard to screw up with your megadraw.
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Da GOAT
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Originally Posted by Da GOAT
flop is standard IMO.
Preflop though you gotta shove IMO and why not. i think its too passive to play it like this.
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One of my thoughts with the hand was that 4-betting pre could have been better. I'm still not sure though - I can get paid off when I hit here pretty easily (check-raise), and get away much cheaper when I don't. Further, a total nit called the 3-bet from the SB. There's no way he has a weak hand here. I might get folds from some of the hands I'm flipping (and I suppose you could argue that he usually reraises the hands that dominate me), but I think he usually comes along either way.
I think you under-estimating the amount of FE you have over the SB, he more than likely holds JJ+,AK but unlikely holds KK or AA. even if he calls your shove you arent in bad shape.
Paid off when you hit?? Maybe i guess though you have taken the flop vs 2 opp's so id say when you get action on your c/r you are probably going to be behind.
The other half of the question was if we like the shove figuring that he will almost always have at least KK/AK, and as often as not have a set. We're just under 35% with no real FE if he has a set, and even money if he has KK/AA. We're almost a 70% favorite against another AK. Do we want to get it in when we only have FE against the hand we have solidly beat? I think it's actually pretty close.
your talking about on the flop now ,right? i see what your saying but i couldnt fold flop here like ever. id always shove flop here, GAMBOL!! |
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Originally Posted by bigspenda73
8 clean clubs 3 T's that aren't clubs.
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Goddamn I am so bad 
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Originally Posted by sauce123
I don't get why you insist on stacking off with like jack high all the time.
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