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**bluey** · 08-12-2006 09:56 PM

Villian seems like he knows what he is doing, got almost 1k hands on him running 22/14. If it matters about 30 mins ago he raised on the button I reraised in the SB he called I cbet and he minraised and I folded.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

MP ($453.86)
Button ($233.25)
Hero ($524.90)
BB ($696.72)
UTG ($466)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A

, K

. Hero posts a blind of $2.
1 fold, MP raises to $15, 1 fold, Hero (poster) raises to $48, 1 fold, MP calls $35.

Flop: ($104) 7

, T

, 5

(2 players)
Hero bets $75, MP calls $75.

Turn: ($254) A

(2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $100, Hero ...

**aislephive** · 08-12-2006 10:24 PM

Lead turn, as played I would push.

**Renton** · 08-12-2006 10:27 PM

check push the turn

why lead aislephive? (not a rhetorical question, I am curious what your reasoning is)

**aislephive** · 08-12-2006 10:35 PM

Originally Posted by Renton

check push the turn

why lead aislephive? (not a rhetorical question, I am curious what your reasoning is)

I would lead for a few reasons, particularly against tricky opposition. One, it looks like we're bluffing when we lead the ace turn. He knows that we have AK/AQ or a very weak hand, and it might induce a bluff raise. Is JJ/QQ/KK ever leading this turn? I doubt it. We recently were caught making a bit of a steal move from him, so he might be suspicious. I also like leading from a value perspective. A check-raise all in is actually a fine play, and in fact I take back my original post and think a c/r ai is the better play, but I think leading is good too for the reasons above.

**Renton** · 08-12-2006 10:39 PM

i think both plays are equally transparent, but the c/r seems to extract more ev

**bdawg56kg** · 08-12-2006 11:44 PM

All in.

**bdawg56kg** · 08-12-2006 11:46 PM

Originally Posted by aislephive

Originally Posted by Renton

check push the turn

why lead aislephive? (not a rhetorical question, I am curious what your reasoning is)

I would lead for a few reasons, particularly against tricky opposition. One, it looks like we're bluffing when we lead the ace turn. He knows that we have AK/AQ or a very weak hand, and it might induce a bluff raise. Is JJ/QQ/KK ever leading this turn? I doubt it. We recently were caught making a bit of a steal move from him, so he might be suspicious. I also like leading from a value perspective. A check-raise all in is actually a fine play, and in fact I take back my original post and think a c/r ai is the better play, but I think leading is good too for the reasons above.

I think most players at 400NL won't have the balls to look you up with JT here if you lead/push the turn, especially if there's been no real history. I know what you're trying to say, but I think you're assuming too much.

**bluey** · 08-13-2006 12:38 AM

so folding is bad?

**Miffed22001** · 08-13-2006 12:44 AM

c/r all in.

**bluey** · 08-13-2006 02:09 AM

what hand does he have that bets this turn?

**Renton** · 08-13-2006 04:57 AM

Originally Posted by bluey

what hand does he have that bets this turn?

by the fact that you posted this, TT.

But there are tons of crazy hands you'll see betting this turn.

**bdawg56kg** · 08-13-2006 06:11 AM

Originally Posted by bluey

so folding is bad?

Folding here is absolutely terrible. When you 3-bet pf with AK you should be felting TPTK the vast majority of the time. The fact that you have the nut flush draw makes folding out of the question.

**bluey** · 08-13-2006 03:36 PM

i c/r ai and was called by 77. i guess i am second guessing myself because against this guy it seemed so obvious.

08-12-2006 09:56 PM #1
bluey View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Dec 2005 Posts 562	AKs line Villian seems like he knows what he is doing, got almost 1k hands on him running 22/14. If it matters about 30 mins ago he raised on the button I reraised in the SB he called I cbet and he minraised and I folded. Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver) MP ($453.86) Button ($233.25) Hero ($524.90) BB ($696.72) UTG ($466) Preflop: Hero is SB with A, K. Hero posts a blind of $2. 1 fold, MP raises to $15, 1 fold, Hero (poster) raises to $48, 1 fold, MP calls $35. Flop: ($104) 7, T, 5 (2 players) Hero bets $75, MP calls $75. Turn: ($254) A (2 players) Hero checks, MP bets $100, Hero ...
	BR: $.1k Goal 2: July 1 $10k IIbeatsUU: lol u raised with that? you mini raised, therefore you desereve whatever you get....
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08-12-2006 10:24 PM #2
aislephive View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jul 2005 Posts 1,549 Location Downswinging holla!	Lead turn, as played I would push.

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08-12-2006 10:27 PM #3
Renton View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jan 2006 Posts 7,485 Location Atlanta, GA, USA	check push the turn why lead aislephive? (not a rhetorical question, I am curious what your reasoning is)

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08-12-2006 10:35 PM #4
aislephive View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jul 2005 Posts 1,549 Location Downswinging holla!	Originally Posted by Renton check push the turn why lead aislephive? (not a rhetorical question, I am curious what your reasoning is) I would lead for a few reasons, particularly against tricky opposition. One, it looks like we're bluffing when we lead the ace turn. He knows that we have AK/AQ or a very weak hand, and it might induce a bluff raise. Is JJ/QQ/KK ever leading this turn? I doubt it. We recently were caught making a bit of a steal move from him, so he might be suspicious. I also like leading from a value perspective. A check-raise all in is actually a fine play, and in fact I take back my original post and think a c/r ai is the better play, but I think leading is good too for the reasons above.

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08-12-2006 10:39 PM #5
Renton View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jan 2006 Posts 7,485 Location Atlanta, GA, USA	i think both plays are equally transparent, but the c/r seems to extract more ev

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08-12-2006 11:44 PM #6
bdawg56kg View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Oct 2004 Posts 1,236 Location Honolulu	All in.

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08-12-2006 11:46 PM #7
bdawg56kg View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Oct 2004 Posts 1,236 Location Honolulu	Originally Posted by aislephive Originally Posted by Renton check push the turn why lead aislephive? (not a rhetorical question, I am curious what your reasoning is) I would lead for a few reasons, particularly against tricky opposition. One, it looks like we're bluffing when we lead the ace turn. He knows that we have AK/AQ or a very weak hand, and it might induce a bluff raise. Is JJ/QQ/KK ever leading this turn? I doubt it. We recently were caught making a bit of a steal move from him, so he might be suspicious. I also like leading from a value perspective. A check-raise all in is actually a fine play, and in fact I take back my original post and think a c/r ai is the better play, but I think leading is good too for the reasons above. I think most players at 400NL won't have the balls to look you up with JT here if you lead/push the turn, especially if there's been no real history. I know what you're trying to say, but I think you're assuming too much.

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08-13-2006 12:38 AM #8
bluey View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Dec 2005 Posts 562	so folding is bad?
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08-13-2006 12:44 AM #9
Miffed22001 View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jun 2005 Posts 10,440 Location Marry Me Cheryl!!!	c/r all in.

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08-13-2006 02:09 AM #10
bluey View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Dec 2005 Posts 562	what hand does he have that bets this turn?
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08-13-2006 04:57 AM #11
Renton View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jan 2006 Posts 7,485 Location Atlanta, GA, USA	Originally Posted by bluey what hand does he have that bets this turn? by the fact that you posted this, TT. But there are tons of crazy hands you'll see betting this turn.

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08-13-2006 06:11 AM #12
bdawg56kg View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Oct 2004 Posts 1,236 Location Honolulu	Originally Posted by bluey so folding is bad? Folding here is absolutely terrible. When you 3-bet pf with AK you should be felting TPTK the vast majority of the time. The fact that you have the nut flush draw makes folding out of the question.

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08-13-2006 03:36 PM #13
bluey View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Dec 2005 Posts 562	i c/r ai and was called by 77. i guess i am second guessing myself because against this guy it seemed so obvious.
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