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Silly String
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02-19-2009, 07:37 PM
Post subject: AK vs station & money is going in fast
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Full House
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MP is a 64/0 over very small sample and has folded to my only other cbet as I led into him 3/4 PSB w/KK.
CO is 30/4 and I haven't noted him in about 30 hands so far.
No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
CO ($103.90)
Button ($178.25)
SB ($28.05)
Hero (BB) ($218.35)
UTG ($108.15)
MP ($67.60)
Preflop: Hero is BB with A , K
1 fold, MP calls $1, CO calls $1, 1 fold, SB calls $0.50, Hero raises $5, MP calls $5, CO calls $5, 1 fold
Flop: ($19) 10, K, J (3 players)
Hero bets $18, MP calls $18, 1 fold
Turn: ($55) 6 (2 players)
Hero bets $44 ??
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Da GOAT
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hmm actually ok since MP is shortish, i b/f flop for 16. vs this caller i shove turn
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2ndline.4thstreet
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For me this is a DEF shove on the turn. No way that 6c helped him and I don't see him going anywhere. Since he's short if he flopped the nuts he should have shoved then.
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bode
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with CO out of the pot, this is def fine. he's 64/0, obv not good, and is calling the flop with a tone of hands you are ahead of. nh.
btw Goat, the $44 should put MP AI.
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Da GOAT
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yup i noticed, but id shove instead of type a bet
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Jman: every time the action is to you, it's an opportunity for you to make the perfect play.
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GatorJH
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Originally Posted by Da GOAT
yup i noticed, but id shove instead of type a bet
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That brings up an intersting point. Is there a psychological difference when someone shoves their entire stack in versus putting the exact amount in that you have?
In the first case they are saying - "I either haz big hand or big bluff. Wanna call and see?
In the second it seems more like - "you haz $44 and I want it, please ship it to me kaythxbai".
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Da GOAT
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donks like to hero call. typed allins make things look dodgy
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Jman: every time the action is to you, it's an opportunity for you to make the perfect play.
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A shove could mess with pot odds though. Many bad players either don't realize or forget that if you shove and the pot goes up to $x, that after they call you will be returned the excess money that you had him covered by. So if you shove it could have someone overestimate their pot odds or something of that nature.
I think?
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Da GOAT
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i think you would want to be a seriously bad player then
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Jman: every time the action is to you, it's an opportunity for you to make the perfect play.
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bode
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Originally Posted by Da GOAT
i think you would want to be a seriously bad player then
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i've read this like 5 times and still cant figure out what it means.
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Da GOAT
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Originally Posted by XxStacksxX
Many bad players either don't realize or forget that if you shove and the pot goes up to $x, that after they call you will be returned the excess money that you had him covered by.
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i think you would want to be a seriously bad player then.
i think I may of used irish slang sentence structure. basically if opp does think this way then he sucks.
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Jman: every time the action is to you, it's an opportunity for you to make the perfect play.
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WillburForce
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Originally Posted by Da GOAT
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Originally Posted by XxStacksxX
Many bad players either don't realize or forget that if you shove and the pot goes up to $x, that after they call you will be returned the excess money that you had him covered by.
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i think you would want to be a seriously bad player then.
i think I may of used irish slang sentence structure. basically if opp does think this way then he sucks. |
surely the only thing Irish people say is "Top of the morning to ya" or "to be sure, to be sure, to be sure" or maybe "potato"?
disclaimer: Loads of my family are Irish, so any percieved racism is only half justified 
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Da GOAT
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Originally Posted by WillburForce
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Originally Posted by Da GOAT
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Originally Posted by XxStacksxX
Many bad players either don't realize or forget that if you shove and the pot goes up to $x, that after they call you will be returned the excess money that you had him covered by.
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i think you would want to be a seriously bad player then.
i think I may of used irish slang sentence structure. basically if opp does think this way then he sucks. |
surely the only thing Irish people say is "Top of the morning to ya" or "to be sure, to be sure, to be sure" or maybe "potato"?
disclaimer: Loads of my family are Irish, so any percieved racism is only half justified |
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Jman: every time the action is to you, it's an opportunity for you to make the perfect play.
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jjbish
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Originally Posted by Da GOAT
donks like to hero call. typed allins make things look dodgy
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What about typed all-ins for the exact amount?
Ie $43.62 or what ever. I have found these seem to look very scary to villain.
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Originally Posted by Da GOAT
donks like to hero call. typed allins make things look dodgy
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What about typed all-ins for the exact amount?
Ie $43.62 or what ever. I have found these seem to look very scary to villain. |
I think the point here is that if you put that much effort into pointing out what you want him to call you reduce the amount of times you get a hero call because the bet amount may look stronger to a donk than a round number.
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Da GOAT
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i think typed amounts are stronger looking thus he will fold
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Jman: every time the action is to you, it's an opportunity for you to make the perfect play.
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v diddy
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Yep. typing exactly what they have (or even rounding to $44 or whatever) begs for a call and thus would get less of them.
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bode
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alot of times i just make it some arbitrary amount greater than what villain has in his stack. i'm sure theres some psychology behind bet sizing, but i don't know if its THAT important, esp at low stakes.
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That's interesting... I've always thought it was the other way around. That the all-in bets get less calls than the typed out bets be it for exactly, slightly more or slightly less than his stack.
Against shorties without history I like to shove as a bluff and make a standard sized bet for value more often... If I know he's more likely to make heroic calls I will shove obv.
In this case I'd rather bet $40... but I don't know. In reality it probably doesn't make much of a difference.
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poker3player333
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Originally Posted by 2ndline.4thstreet
For me this is a DEF shove on the turn. No way that 6c helped him and I don't see him going anywhere. Since he's short if he flopped the nuts he should have shoved then.
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Its easy to say shove when its not ur money, but its hard to get away from AK here. You still have outs if he has two pair or even if he has a set. Hard hand to play though
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Originally Posted by poker3player333
Its easy to say shove when its not ur money, but its hard to get away from AK here. You still have outs if he has two pair or even if he has a set. Hard hand to play though
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This thread is obviously about bet sizing... folding in any combination is never an option here.
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chipblight
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if my opinion matters i say the all in over bet is easier to call than the precise stack amt
in a separate question what about the odd bets like 1111.00 or 666.00 should these more oft called.
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