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r8ed
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09-23-2006, 05:17 AM
Post subject: AK vs. reraise
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4-of-a-Kind
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Villain is 27/17 and I've only seen him reraise QQ after 500 hands. However, he knows I raise often LP. I considered folding but then I remembered this is poker. Now, I've seen this guy 1/2 pot the flop and check/fold the turn often. So, I'll call that and see if I can't spike a queen or push him off his hand. I think I may have bet too low to make him fold but I don't think he reraises me with anything I can beat so I end the charade.
I think I played this wrong. Any thoughts? It makes sense to take a free card here, but with the "1/2 flop - check turn" pattern I figured I would semi-bluff.
- sunny11 sitting in seat 1 with $137.35
- Sevlow sitting in seat 2 with $66.74
- Hero sitting in seat 3 with $240.10 [Dealer]
- staxstax sitting in seat 4 with $0.00 [Sitting out]
- texwest2 sitting in seat 5 with $51.15
- MrDonkey2U sitting in seat 6 with $181.25
texwest2 posted the small blind - $0.50
MrDonkey2U posted the big blind - $1.00
** Dealing card to Hero: King of Diamonds, Ace of Clubs
sunny11 folded
Sevlow folded
Hero raised - $4.00
texwest2 folded
MrDonkey2U raised - $13.00
Hero called - $13.00
** Dealing the flop: Jack of Hearts, 3 of Diamonds, 10 of Spades
MrDonkey2U bet - $15.00
Hero called - $15.00
** Dealing the turn: 7 of Hearts
MrDonkey2U checked
Hero bet - $25.00
MrDonkey2U raised - $50.00
Hero folded
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Robert
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r8ed,
What hands do you want him to fold? Unless he is 3-betting light I dont see we have fold equity with a turn bet unless we are up against AK/AQ and even then we are not behind and therefor a bet has no merit.
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euphoricism
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Yeah if he has TT+ he ain't folding, so theres absolutely no reasonable holding you can push him off, unless he preflop reraise was total BS, which it generally isn't.
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dsaxton
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Just take the free card.
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elipsesjeff
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Originally Posted by dsaxton
Just take the free card.
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Boy, you've been giving out spoonfulls of good information lately. Trying to get your WPP to match gabes?
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euphoricism
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Originally Posted by elipsesjeff
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Originally Posted by dsaxton
Just take the free card.
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Boy, you've been giving out spoonfulls of good information lately. Trying to get your WPP to match gabes? |
Unnecessary.
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locks1018
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I'm taking the free card here. You possibly have 10 good outs with your gut-shot and overcards and there isn't much you can beat since you said he's a TAG.
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benny999
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I like the idea of exploiting his 1/2 pot then c/f pattern, but think it doesn't apply as much on this hand cuz your other read on the meaning of his pf 3bet.
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johnny_fish
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Fold preflop? AKo doesn't play well vs. QQ+/AK
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andy-akb
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Originally Posted by johnny_fish
Fold preflop? AKo doesn't play well vs. QQ+/AK
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I find it hard to believe that a 27/17 opponent over a few hundred hands is only reraising QQ+. That may have been all the OP has seen, but given those stats in a button steal situation I think we are well ahead of his range here.
Im going out on a limb with this because there hasnt been too much analysis, so if Im off then just tell me.
As played I do probably check behind on the turn. Its a reraised pot and the pot is getting big and we still only have two overs. If there was only one raise preflop I think there would be more merit to betting because if our opponent had a hand like TPGK he would probably bet again on the turn. Here though, he could be playing for pot control not wanting to play for stacks with a hand like that. The c/r really kinda goes against what I was saying, but at the time of our bet we didnt know what he would do. I think his c/r could be a rebluff or it could also be a very strong hand, I just dont see him playing a one pair type of hand like this.
How would you play a hand like an overpair or TPGK? Would you bet the turn or check behind? Would your bet be less than 1/2pot?
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elipsesjeff
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Originally Posted by dsaxton
Just take the free card.
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Boy, you've been giving out spoonfulls of good information lately. Trying to get your WPP to match gabes? |
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Sry, I think someone had to say it. I was starting to get annoyed by obv statements and short posts with little to no explanation or basis. I tried to not be very rude about it and I'm not saying he's not a good player. It just seemed a bit 2p2ish there. You know, those guys that just try and their get post counts up by saying shit like "easy fold" in one post with absolutely zero content when it was obviously not an easy fold or else the guy wouldn't have posted it.
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Renton
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Originally Posted by johnny_fish
Fold preflop? AKo doesn't play well vs. QQ+/AK
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andy-akb
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Originally Posted by dsaxton
Just take the free card.
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Boy, you've been giving out spoonfulls of good information lately. Trying to get your WPP to match gabes? |
Unnecessary. |
Sry, I think someone had to say it. I was starting to get annoyed by obv statements and short posts with little to no explanation or basis. I tried to not be very rude about it and I'm not saying he's not a good player. It just seemed a bit 2p2ish there. You know, those guys that just try and their get post counts up by saying shit like "easy fold" in one post with absolutely zero content when it was obviously not an easy fold or else the guy wouldn't have posted it. |
That bothers me too man.
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Fold preflop? AKo doesn't play well vs. QQ+/AK
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Renton, want to check out my response above? I find it hard to believe that a 27/17 is 3betting QQ+. I am like 20/15ish and Im 3betting a much wider range than that.
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Renton
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but he said in 500 hands he only threebet QQ
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r8ed
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I did think about folding preflop and probably should have. Yeah, in 500 hands I've only SEEN him reraise QQ. He might be smooth-calling w/ AA for all I know. And I have been raising lots of stuff in position not only on this table but all tables we've been on together. Since he has the post flop pattern I figured I could see what develops. Either way, taking a free card is the right play. I can spike the nuts on the river or see what he does there. I doubt I can take it way from him though since people don't like to lay down overpairs.
He said he had KK.
I'm probably not calling any more reraises preflop at 100NL unless I have a pocket pair or possibly 67s and I have odds close to 10%. It's QQ+/AK 95% of the time (usually AA/KK). I actually had some guy (major donk) reraise me and another caller big w/ 44 and he hit his set and stacked me last week. That was fun.
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andy-akb
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Originally Posted by Renton
but he said in 500 hands he only threebet QQ
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No, he said he had only seen him 3bet QQ, there is a difference.
The effective stack is 180BBs, with this much behind I dont think calling the 3bet PF is bad at all especially given the players stats. How often do you really think a 27/17 is only 3betting QQ+,AKx against a button steal? If you went back over his stats in PT Im pretty sure you could find a few other instances where he 3bet preflop. If I had done that before and made a note that after looking over his stats in PT he really only did 3bet with QQ+, then yea, this is a fold. However, only saying that you have seen him 3bet QQ PF isnt enough for me to fold this hand PF with deep stacks and I think thats a bad fold against a player with these stats unless you have a rock solid read.
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