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04-09-2007, 03:13 AM
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no read. pretty regular table, no one's playing noticeably aggressive or passive.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
UTG ($109.25)
MP ($102.65)
CO ($112.60)
Button ($165.35)
Hero ($93.90)
BB ($100)
Preflop: Hero is SB with K , A.
UTG calls $1, 2 folds, Button raises to $4, Hero calls $3.50, 1 fold, UTG calls $3.
Flop: ($13) 6, K , J (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, Button checks.
Turn: ($13) 7 (3 players)
Hero bets $4, UTG calls $4, Button raises to $8, Hero calls $4, UTG calls $4.
River: ($37) 8 (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, Button bets $15, Hero calls $15, UTG folds.
Final Pot: $67
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i'll chime in comments first. the call preflop was more for i hate playing AKs out of position. i agree i probably miss value most of the time here.
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you flopped the nuts practically so u want to build the pot. since the field (only UTG) is trapped between you and the button, i would lead hoping UTG calls and button raises, then which u could push
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you flopped the nuts practically so u want to build the pot. since the field (only UTG) is trapped between you and the button, i would lead hoping UTG calls and button raises, then which u could push
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hmmm, i guess that makes more sense than me calling the expected button c-bet to keep UTG in.
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The button probably isn't betting which is another reason you should lead the flop.
The button is playing his hand like a monster, but it's hard to fold the river with such good odds and no reads.
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3-bet PF... he is raising on the button, just raise and make money.
as played leading flop is def ur best line as you have a monster and leading
a) builds a pot
b) utg will have to make a decision which is a lot harder when u lead than if action goes check/check/cbet/cr
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I got more flava than fruitstripe gum
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The button probably isn't betting which is another reason you should lead the flop.
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why do you think button won't cbet here?
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b) utg will have to make a decision which is a lot harder when u lead than if action goes check/check/cbet/cr
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the original plan was the call button's bet to keep UTG in. if i had a more vulnerable hand like KQo on this board i may check raise instead.
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The button probably isn't betting which is another reason you should lead the flop.
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why do you think button won't cbet here? |
Because UTG limped UTG and he's scared of UTG blowing him out of the pot because he has outs and/or a hand that he's suddenly decided should be a small pot one?
Again, tell me if I'm not thinking right here.
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gabe
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3-bet PF... he is raising on the button, just raise and make money.
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even if we know we make money by 3 betting, it doesnt make it the best move. calling is fine here but for different reasons than not wanting to play OOP
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Wait, has no one said reraise pre and bet flop? Because that seems really obvious.
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3-bet PF... he is raising on the button, just raise and make money.
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even if we know we make money by 3 betting, it doesnt make it the best move. calling is fine here but for different reasons than not wanting to play OOP |
I don't get it, I'd really like to hear why we would want to call with AK here unless we had history with the opp. Please explain this.
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gabe- I really just dont believe sacrificing that much pf equity to play 2 big cards OOP is better than 3betting.
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I got more flava than fruitstripe gum
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yper- ur reasoning is right except for the fact that with a hand this strong building a pot basically trumps all other considerations- including keeping utg in the hand with a C/C line.
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gabe- I really just dont believe sacrificing that much pf equity to play 2 big cards OOP is better than 3betting.
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i think the problem here is...the likelihood of UTG staying in the pot decreases significantly. also, a reraise from the button makes me uneasy, because AK is still an unmade hand before the flop. i know some guys would push a 3bet, but i'm not sure how that can be profitable....just seem like a high variance break-even play (but i suppose it might +EV because of dead money).
maybe it's my limit experience messing me up, cuz it seems like you guys would rather stack 1 player over keeping 2 guys in (although i bet this flop 100% in limit for a b3b, but that's more because 1 bet is very small relative to the pot size)
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I don't mind calling here preflop. AKs plays pretty decent vs two other players. But I don't like how post-flop you didn't start putting money in the pot instantly. This is the best flop ever.
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I don't get why you insist on stacking off with like jack high all the time.
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If we'd bet $10 on the flop, both had called and the turn was a red J, what would we do? Push and hope that fold equity carries us through? Check-call despite that clubs might be dead?
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gabe- I really just dont believe sacrificing that much pf equity to play 2 big cards OOP is better than 3betting.
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i think the problem here is...the likelihood of UTG staying in the pot decreases significantly. also, a reraise from the button makes me uneasy, because AK is still an unmade hand before the flop. i know some guys would push a 3bet, but i'm not sure how that can be profitable... |
1. There is a very small chance of you getting reraised, the guy is raising on the BU with probably 20-40% of his hands at least.
2. If he does I just stick it in. I mean truthfully AK preflop call in isnt much different than QQ.
I'd still like gabe to chime in again.
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I mean truthfully AK preflop call in isnt much different than QQ.
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except QQ utterly destroys undercards. but at least AK has a chance against KK :P
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im not saying calling pre with AKs is the best play here, but given no information and saying you should reraise here always is bad
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i would re raise here 90+% of the time
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I got more flava than fruitstripe gum
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im not saying calling pre with AKs is the best play here, but given no information and saying you should reraise here always is bad
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What information is missing? I'd assume villains PFR would be nice to know. If he's raising 5% I'm more inclined to call. I can't think of a whole lot else tho
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