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bspahn
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07-15-2009, 02:52 AM
Post subject: AJ oop vs reg
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Full House
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reg: 24/20/8
this might be a leveling thing, i'm not sure. do you call this here 100%?
its a great spot for him to triple barrel bluff cuz AQ/AT have such a hard time calling. is he only repping flush/boat here basically? how often could he actually have ANY hand with a 2?
$1/$2 No Limit Holdem
4 players
Converted at weaktight.com
Stacks:
CO henkz0rian ($208.35)
BTN GuilhermeOSA ($203.50)
SB NALLEPUH6 ($373.20)
BB Hero ($224.00)
Pre-flop: ($3, 4 players) Hero is BB  
henkz0rian raises to $7, 2 folds, Hero calls $5
Flop:    ($15, 2 players)
Hero checks, henkz0rian bets $12, Hero calls $12
Turn:  ($39, 2 players)
Hero checks, henkz0rian bets $30, Hero calls $30
River:  ($99, 2 players)
Hero checks, henkz0rian bets $70
Final Pot: $169
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I like c/r the flop for value, for balancing your bluff c/r and because people bluff paired boards too much
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griffey24
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Toronto'ish
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I'm never folding when he could be value betting worse often and bluffing some of the time.
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Originally Posted by Jay-Z
I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
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Carroters
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4-of-a-Kind
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If his Aggression factor's 8 this surely has to be the easiest call ever. How big a sample are those stats over?
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BigPapi
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Flush
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Location: Rotterdam, Holland
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I would like him to continue bluffing since that is certainly a part of his range on this flop texture, so c/r flop is not my preferred play, but I dont think its bad or anything. river I'd call for reasons offered by Griffey
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bspahn
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Full House
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this isn't a good flop at all to CR bluff imo, esp against a dude who's super aggro. i NEVER have a 2 in my range, and the best draw I could have is Kxcc and even that is only 1/3 to win against any ace... better flops to do this sorta stuff as bluffs and as value...
but everyone agrees that c/c three times is fine here? if the board doesn't have a 3flush on it, would you consider CR the river?
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griffey24
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Straight Flush
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Originally Posted by bspahn
this isn't a good flop at all to CR bluff imo, esp against a dude who's super aggro.
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But because of this, it becomes a decent board to c/r for value, if he's gonna spew hard and not believe you.
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Originally Posted by Jay-Z
I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
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bspahn
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Full House
Join Date: Dec 2004
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so if you feel opp is aggro enough and repping a small enough range if he spazzes to a CR here we're simply not folding because we expect to be against random FD's or possibly some Ax hands we beat.. ?
i would assume from his point of view if he had AQ/AK he's much more likely to flat a flop CR so if he's pushing back those are less likely?
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griffey24
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Straight Flush
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If you're going to raise for value lighter, doing so on boards where aggro spewtards won't give you credit is a good start.
A lot of aggro's will go crazy 3betting you if you raise them on a K52 rainbow board for example. You have to have reads for this kind of stuff though, and know that they are capable of playing back.
Without those reads, c/c down here is fine/standard.
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Originally Posted by Jay-Z
I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
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Ash256
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4-of-a-Kind
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I don't understand. Why can't he just be valuebetting an ace here?
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Ash256
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4-of-a-Kind
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Board: 2s 2c Ac Jc Ts
Wins Ties Equity
42.22% 4.44% 46.67% ( AT-AK,JJ,KcQc,KcJc,KcTc,Kc9c,QcTc,Qc9c,Qc8c,Tc9c,Tc8c ,Tc7c,9c8c,9c7c,8c7c,8c6c,6c5c,7c6c,A2s,32s )
48.89% 4.44% 53.33% ( AdJs )
Shove?
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