Originally Posted by bigspenda73

God isn't this just awesome with 66.

Originally Posted by elipsesjeff

If we were only 100 BB deep and it was 90 to call, I still don't know if this is a good call. There is no point here to make this call. If he is willing to bluff 170BB into a pot for 10BB, then make him pay later.

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

What hand ever makes this play for value though? I don't think I could ever fold this really.

Originally Posted by PokerMuzz

WOW that's sick. The only hand I see making this move is 66.

With only $8 invested in the pot its not worth risking your whole stack to find out

Originally Posted by Lukie

"opponent is 45/7, donkish."

whether or not it's a call or fold is debatable but I think you're crazy if you think his range is 66. Obviously if our opponent is playing ideally it's a turbo muck, but that's not the case. Hence, debatable.

Another way to look at it is that we could wait for AA/66/AK here and easily be +EV since it's such a massive overbet, but IMO we can profitably call with more hands then that. I don't know how far down we could or should go, but I think we can profitably call with any ace+paint and obv
boat/quads.

Originally Posted by PokerMuzz

I'm no poker math WIZARD, but..would we need to call this correctly over 20 times out of 21 for this to be the right play?

Originally Posted by Pelion

lol no

Pot is $17. He pushes $550. We have to call $550 (dont remember exact numbers but go with this).

We arent calling $550 to win the $17 pot, we are calling $550 to win his $550 push + the $17 pot.

You NEVER have to win more than 50% of the time to make it a profitable call.

Originally Posted by elipsesjeff

If he is willing to bluff 170BB into a pot for 10BB, then make him pay later.

Originally Posted by Renton

Board: Ac Ah 6s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 45.817% 32.46% 13.36% 42420 17454.00 { AJo }
Hand 1: 54.183% 40.83% 13.36% 53352 17454.00 { AA, 66, A9s+, A9o+ }

if he pushes A8, A7, etc, then we make a ton of money with this call.

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

Ummmmm, how can AA be in his range?

Originally Posted by koolmoe

Doesn't matter. Pokerstove is smart enough to figure that out.

Originally Posted by mcatdog

Looking at those PokerStove numbers, this is a marginal fold with AJ and a marginal call with AQ if you assume he never does this without at least an ace. If he's ever doing this with total crap, that swings this to a call.

Originally Posted by koolmoe

If he does it with any ace or 66, it's obv an easy call. Not sure if that's what you meant.

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

No one has yet to mention how UNLIKELY opponent is to be holding an Ace in his hand. The chances you both hold an Ace and the flop comes AAx has got to be ridiculously small.

Originally Posted by sauce123

You need more than "villain seems donkish" to call here imo. If he has never made an overbet before I let this go. I call with AK+ without any more information I think.

At the same time against most players with those stats I snap call this, I'm just saying this is useless speculation unless I have seen villain play.

Originally Posted by aislephive

I've posted this hand on a few forums and I'd say 80-90% of people said they would call. And almost 100% of respected/well known posters/players said they would call.

I DID call, I really didn't feel great about it but for the reasons most people have said they would call is why I called.

I did lose the hand, as the turn and river blanked he showed 66. I felt pretty dumb after I called and got owned so hard, but I still think it was the right call.

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

God isn't this just awesome with 66.

Originally Posted by mcatdog

This is a pretty stupid way to play 66, but when you have a monster and your opponent has a slightly lesser monster, you're probably going to stack him even if you play the hand in a stupid manner.

Originally Posted by mcatdog

Jeff, the push is completely terrible. I just did a little EV calculation and no matter how generous the assumptions I make, the villain loses a LOT of value by open-pushing. How often does OP have a hand that can even think about calling a push? Maybe 10% of the time, even less if OP is folding some of the weaker aces (which he would). How often does the villain lose the additional action that OP would have given with the rest of the hands in his range? I just don't understand why you're defending this play because I'm sure you would never make such a horrid play yourself.