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Muzzard

03-23-2008, 07:27 PM Post subject: Afternoon Session 25NL

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5 hands for your perusal, all feedback welcome!

1.Fold pre? I think I played this pretty bad vs someone this nitty. The river card was either good or very bad for me lol. Shoudl I be folding AT to a BU raise here? I dunno...

$0.1/$0.25 No Limit Holdem
4 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Profiles and Stacks:

CO ($29.00) 11.8/3.9/2.0 (51)

BTN ($27.95) 6.2/6.2/2.2 (48)

Hero ($24.75) 9.8/7.8/0.0 (51)

BB ($35.20) 17.6/15.7/4.0 (51)

Pre-flop: ($0.35, 4 players) Hero is SB

1 fold, BTN raises to $1, Hero calls $0.9, 1 fold

Flop:

($2.25, 2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $1.5, Hero calls $1.5

Turn:

($5.25, 2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $4, Hero calls $4

River:

($13.25, 2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $7, Hero calls $7

[Results Hidden]

Hand 2
Should I be caling or rasing this flop?

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6 players
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Profiles and Stacks:

UTG ($34.60) 47.2/8.3/0.8 (36)

UTG+1 ($24.90) 19.2/15.4/1.0 (26)

CO ($29.55) 37.9/20.7/3.0 (29)

Hero ($24.30) 12.8/5.1/0.8 (39)

SB ($25.00) 17.1/14.3/2.0 (35)

BB ($9.70) 75.0/19.4/5.5 (36)

Pre-flop: ($0.35, 6 players) Hero is BTN

UTG calls $0.25, UTG+1 raises to $1.1, 1 fold, Hero calls $1.1, 1 fold, BB calls $0.85, UTG calls $0.85

Flop:

($4.5, 4 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 bets $3.75, $3.75 to Hero ($23.2)?

3. Rope a dope like $8? Or just push turn?

$0.1/$0.25 No Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Profiles and Stacks:

UTG ($8.30) 25.0/25.0/2.0 (4)

UTG+1 ($25.15) 22.4/20.9/2.0 (67)

Hero ($30.25) 16.4/14.9/4.0 (67)

BTN ($12.50) 50.0/10.0/3.0 (10)

SB ($3.00) 50.0/0.0/1.0 (4)

BB ($39.80) 17.9/7.5/1.4 (67)

Pre-flop: ($0.35, 6 players) Hero is CO

1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $1, Hero calls $1, 1 fold, SB calls $0.9, 1 fold

Flop:

($3.25, 3 players)
SB checks, UTG+1 bets $2.65, Hero raises to $6, SB folds, UTG+1 calls $3.35

Turn:

($15.25, 2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero ($23.25)?

4. Likey no likey?

$0.1/$0.25 No Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Profiles and Stacks:

UTG ($25.90) 26.6/2.5/0.8 (79)

UTG+1 ($6.35) 17.7/11.4/1.7 (79)

Hero ($37.15) 13.9/12.7/6.0 (79)

BTN ($12.55) 66.7/0.0/1.0 (3)

SB ($7.40) 34.4/3.1/1.7 (32)

BB ($29.65) 25.0/18.8/2.0 (32)

Pre-flop: ($0.35, 6 players) Hero is CO

UTG calls $0.25, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1, BTN calls $1, 1 fold, BB calls $0.75, UTG calls $0.75

Flop:

($4.1, 4 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $3, BTN calls $3, BB folds, UTG folds

Turn:

($10.1, 2 players)
Hero checks, BTN goes all-in $8.55, Hero calls $8.55

River:

($27.2, 2 players)

[Results Hidden]

5. Uber agrro villain, like the line? If its not a club I probably c/r or lead the river.

$0.1/$0.25 No Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Profiles and Stacks:

UTG ($12.25) 25.5/15.3/2.0 (98)

UTG+1 ($21.00) 19.2/0.0/6.0 (52)

CO ($27.40) 16.9/10.8/6.0 (65)

BTN ($52.05) 31.3/21.7/9.0 (83)

SB ($21.60) 40.6/12.5/0.5 (64)

Hero ($44.95) 16.2/13.8/2.2 (130)

Pre-flop: ($0.35, 6 players) Hero is BB

UTG raises to $0.75, 2 folds, BTN calls $0.75, 1 fold, Hero raises to $3, UTG folds, BTN calls $2.25

Flop:

($6.85, 2 players)
Hero bets $4.75, BTN calls $4.75

Turn:

($16.35, 2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $8.55, Hero calls $8.55

River:

($33.45, 2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $10.65, Hero calls $10.65

[Results Hidden]

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Roel

03-23-2008, 09:04 PM

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1) Against a 6/6/2.2 ? Yeah I'd fold. But if you play it, for god's sake please reraise somewhere to see where u r at. But you are way beat here.
2) Both are ok, but i try to suck more people with hands like these with the whole table and their mothers seeing the flop.
3) Bet $10.
4) Pretty much OK i think. Not overly happy about it.
5) Hmm yeah get the money in. c/r turn, lead river, any which way. I am felting this.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ragnar4

If he's not calling my shove, I'm done with it.

Ash256

03-23-2008, 09:25 PM

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1) Your call pre sucks horribly. Fold this every time.
2) You should do whatever you can to get as much money in the pot as fast as you can.
3) I prefer rope-a-dope, it's not as if we're gonna give a shit if the river clubs; we're still putting all the money in.
4) Ach, flip a coin?
5) Meh.. Can't see what else you can do really.

Quote:

1) Against a 6/6/2.2 ? Yeah I'd fold. But if you play it, for god's sake please reraise somewhere to see where u r at. But you are way beat here.

Hate this advice. Reraising somewhere to find out where you're at folds everything you beat.

microgrinder

03-23-2008, 09:43 PM

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1) 3bet or fold preflop. Fold's probably better here. As played fold turn. As played I lead river, but I never get there.
2) You have the nuts, so raise.
3) Yea whatever, make a committing bet or shove, don't think it really matters. Make it more than 8 though.
4) Seems alright.
5) Lead turn plz. k thx.

Roel

03-23-2008, 09:53 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ash256

Hate this advice. Reraising somewhere to find out where you're at folds everything you beat.

Yes you are right, why reraise to $4.5 on the flop when you get the exact same information by calling $12.5 on three streets.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ragnar4

If he's not calling my shove, I'm done with it.

microgrinder

03-23-2008, 09:56 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Roel

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ash256

Hate this advice. Reraising somewhere to find out where you're at folds everything you beat.

Yes you are right, why reraise to $4.5 on the flop when you get the exact same information by calling $12.5 on three streets.

I hate C/R flop too. Not that calling down 3 streets here is good either :P

Ash256

03-23-2008, 10:12 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Roel

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ash256

Hate this advice. Reraising somewhere to find out where you're at folds everything you beat.

Yes you are right, why reraise to $4.5 on the flop when you get the exact same information by calling $12.5 on three streets.

I never advocated calling off - I just said that reraising to find out where you're at is burning money. Having said that, burning money is favourable compared to strapping wads of your savings to a timebomb, unfortunately neither is optimal if you're in the business of accumulation.

dev

03-23-2008, 10:38 PM

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1. raise/fold, I think others got this.
2. first, 3-bet pre, then raise the flop... the amount depends on a few factors, including your image. After the 3.75, we have like $20 behind in an $11 pot. So just find a way to get it in now. If you reraise to like 9, we still have a little money behind and can check back the turn if we're worried.
3. I reraise this sometimes pre, the guy is laggy and we have position. After the flop the reraise is almost a min-raise, we can get more in here. After that the turn and river are easier.
4. I like it, but my raises pre and on the flop are slightly larger.
5. This is awfully passive. I don't want get into check/call mode here until the river club. We're not super-strong, so trapping is a tough sell for me.

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Roel

03-23-2008, 11:34 PM

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uuhm dunno if i bring up some kind of old discussion here but with what hands would we check/raise the flop in hand 1 with? 2p, sets and air? draws?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ragnar4

If he's not calling my shove, I'm done with it.

dev

03-24-2008, 01:05 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Roel

uuhm dunno if i bring up some kind of old discussion here but with what hands would we check/raise the flop in hand 1 with? 2p, sets and air? draws?

Punctuation is your friend.

we wont be c/ring a 6/6/2 all that often. It's not worth it to do anything to 'mix up your play' at 25nl, so if we c/r, its for value or because of FE. I don't think this kind of player is betting air here, so it's not worth it to try to c/r anything here.

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Muzzard

03-24-2008, 01:09 AM

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Thanks for the input guys, was much appreciated. I think I played them all ok aprt from 1 and possibly 5.

1. They had AK
2. I called and shipped a diamond turn, villain had KK
3. I roped the dope and they shoved with KT
4. I called and was vs flush draw that held up, I think his range is more along FD than 9x or beter
5. They had 55 LOL. I shouda c/r turn

, probably got most value though IMO as it turned out.

Ash256

03-24-2008, 01:31 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Roel

uuhm dunno if i bring up some kind of old discussion here but with what hands would we check/raise the flop in hand 1 with? 2p, sets and air? draws?

So we're c/r bluffing to find out where we're at?

wat

Muzzard

03-24-2008, 02:08 AM

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6. Standard?

$0.1/$0.25 No Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Profiles and Stacks:

UTG ($27.05) 30.9/18.2/3.7 (55)

UTG+1 ($37.40) 12.7/9.1/3.0 (55)

CO ($15.05) 19.6/13.7/0.9 (51)

BTN ($3.75) 32.6/4.3/1.3 (46)

SB ($32.70) 65.5/0.0/5.0 (55)

Hero ($27.75) 23.6/18.2/8.0 (55)

Pre-flop: ($0.35, 6 players) Hero is BB

UTG raises to $0.75, 4 folds, Hero calls $0.5

Flop:

($1.6, 2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $1, Hero raises to $3, UTG calls $2

Turn:

($7.6, 2 players)
Hero bets $4, UTG raises to $8, Hero raises to $23.5, UTG folds

Final Pot: $23.60

Hero wins $37.95 ( won +$10.7 )
UTG lost -$11.75

7. WTF???????

$0.1/$0.25 No Limit Holdem
5 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($22.35)
CO ($4.95)
BTN ($9.30)
SB ($36.25)
Hero ($47.40)

Pre-flop: ($0.35, 5 players) Hero is BB

1 fold, CO calls $0.25, BTN calls $0.25, SB calls $0.15, Hero raises to $1.25, CO folds, BTN calls $1, SB calls $1

Flop:

($4, 3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $2.75, 1 fold, SB goes all-in $35, Hero folds

Final Pot: $9.50

SB wins $41.3 ( won +$5.05 )
Hero lost -$4.00
CO lost -$0.25
BTN lost -$1.25

pankfish

03-24-2008, 02:10 AM

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Hand one is a fold preflop. On the flop it's a call, dump on the turn. A nitty player isn't double barreling.

Hand two I'm raising this flop every time. The thing about calling is that you are going to have way less equity on the turn if unimproved and your probably not going to get much money in the pot if you make your draw on the turn anyway.

Hand 3 given his stack size any bet over half the pot is basically a shove, I have no idea what the optimal bet is here.

hand 4 I don't like putting all the money in the pot, but I wouldn't fold to a bet either. I think the only hand you beat that calls here is the A 5 of diamonds, and they have a ton of equity against you anyway.

Hand 5 is good I think. You can raise the turn, but all you can do on the river is call.

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Ash256

03-24-2008, 02:26 AM

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6) Man, I'm so torn between flatting the turn and shoving. I'd hate to see a club on riv but I'd hate to get shown the "inevitable" flush on the turn.
7) At first I was like LOL FISTPUMP WTF but then I saw stacks.. I see this play a lot with 2pr, but I think he's got bullshit enough for you to call.

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Muzzard

03-24-2008, 03:30 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ash256

What do you play Ash?

Ash256

03-24-2008, 01:13 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Muzzard

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ash256

What do you play Ash?

100NL (halfstacking at the moment because I'm a bankroll nit)

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