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gabe

03-22-2006, 12:29 PM Post subject: ace high flush goes bad

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gabe is an unknown quantity at this point

at the time, i didnt remember anything about villian. thoughts on flop play against unknown are welcome.

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Preflop: Hero is CO with 5

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2 folds, Hero raises to $20, Button calls $20, 1 fold, BB calls $14.

Flop: ($63) Q

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Turn: ($303) T

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LeFou

03-22-2006, 01:35 PM

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Well of course now that I see the turn I advocate reraising the flop. But it's so tempting to just call with the ... well, third nuts but very good third nuts.

Villain's turn bet kinda looks like a boat to me -- taking away the SF's drawing ods ?!?! lol

Rondavu

03-22-2006, 03:04 PM

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I destack here. Boat wants 4 flush contestant to hang around. Boat bets less on turn or checks behind. I put villain on JxKd.

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03-22-2006, 03:25 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by LeFou

Well of course now that I see the turn I advocate reraising the flop.

yea
damnit

alias2211

03-22-2006, 07:36 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rondavu

I destack here. Boat wants 4 flush contestant to hang around. Boat bets less on turn or checks behind. I put villain on JxKd.

generally i would agree with this idea. BUT, here button has 250BBs and gabe's stack isn't too shabby either. so i could see him playing a boat a little faster like that. if villain really does have boat and can put gabe on a flush, then it might be worth a shot. gabe probably is not perceived to be a weak passive player, so against him it's probably good strat to play big hands a little faster. however, i could also see him betting the Jd like that, too on a semibluff.

i am hoping he had JJ w/. the Jd here.

gabe please don't tell me he had KJd. that is a goddamn tough spot, hope you came out okay either way you decided to play it.

In answer to your question... it depends...
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03-22-2006, 08:25 PM

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hope you came out okay either way you decided to play it.

well thanks

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03-22-2006, 10:45 PM

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Interesting hand, I don't think a boat plays it that fast on the turn so I'd push here I think.

Gabe, I was reading your blog and two hands kind of confused me, care to explain your thinking?

***** Hand History for Game 3694340647 *****
$400 NL Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, March 08, 13:56:55 ET 2006
Table Table 96645 (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 3: tropicanaHG ( $374.76 )
Seat 5: cm222444 ( $209.45 )
Seat 6: galactical ( $409.86 )
Seat 4: lowmantotem ( $359.80 )
Seat 2: gorilla_4s ( $204.60 )
Seat 1: jo_breden ( $392 )
cm222444 posts small blind [$2].
galactical posts big blind [$4].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to galactical [ Kc Ac ]
jo_breden folds.
gorilla_4s folds.
tropicanaHG calls [$4].
lowmantotem calls [$4].
cm222444 calls [$2].
galactical raises [$21].
tropicanaHG calls [$21].
lowmantotem folds.
cm222444 folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Qc, 7d, 8c ]
galactical is all-In.
tropicanaHG is all-In.
** Dealing Turn ** [ 6h ]
** Dealing River ** [ 5c ]
galactical shows [ Kc, Ac ] a flush, ace high.
tropicanaHG doesn't show [ Tc, Jh ] high card queen.

I just don't understand the open push with roughly a full buyin in front of you both.

***** Hand History for Game 3758931162 *****
$400 NL Texas Hold'em - Thursday, March 16, 22:29:02 ET 2006
Table Table 95532 (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: Mouthbreath ( $324.59 )
Seat 2: PHENOM_1971 ( $200 )
Seat 5: WhaataBLUFF ( $228.62 )
Seat 3: galactical ( $1058.60 )
Seat 4: fangusZ4 ( $400 )
Seat 6: desktopius ( $236.86 )
Mouthbreath posts small blind [$2].
PHENOM_1971 posts big blind [$4].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to galactical [ Td Ac ]
>You have options at Table 96770 (No DP) Table!.
fangusZ4: keep it up donkey
galactical raises [$15].
fangusZ4 raises [$100].
WhaataBLUFF folds.
galactical: not quite broke
Mouthbreath folds.
PHENOM_1971 folds.
galactical is all-In.
fangusZ4 is all-In.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 5s, Kd, 9d ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 3c ]
** Dealing River ** [ Jc ]
galactical: oops
fangusZ4 shows [ Jd, 7c ] a pair of jacks.
galactical shows [ Td, Ac ] high card ace.

You must have had a really good read on him that he was a total gambling donkey, since I'm assuming you know that three-betting with ATo is usually not a great play. Just trying to pick your brain a little bit.

Also, if you have AIM I would like to talk to you some. I've been reading your blog and saw that you have been limit jumping in the shorthanded NL games on PP the past few months, something I'm striving to do but with moderate success. My aim is alaskandevil81, so get a hold of me when you get a minute.

gabe

03-23-2006, 12:10 AM

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both of the players were reallly bad, neither play is routine.

theres really nothing else to it, they were just bad

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03-23-2006, 07:47 PM

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wow wtf raising and calling an all in with J7 thats worse than bad. They werent even sooted!

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