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Irisheyes
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08-04-2009, 10:01 PM
Post subject: An Ace high calldown to slow the variance pain
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4-of-a-Kind
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Only played 50 hands with villain so far but he has 3bet a lot and is looking 30/20 ish. First time I 4bet him.
$0.5/$1 No Limit Holdem
3 players
Converted at weaktight.com
Stacks:
Hero (BTN) ($140.80)
SB ($118.32)
BB ($175.08)
Pre-flop: ($1.50, 3 players) Hero is BTN  
Hero raises to $3.50, SB folds, BB raises to $11, Hero raises to $33.50, BB calls $22.50
Flop:    ($67.50, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks
Turn:  ($67.50, 2 players)
BB bets $33.75, Hero calls $33.75
River:  ($135, 2 players)
BB goes all-in $107.83, Hero goes all-in $73.55
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Da GOAT
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Im gonna have to think more about this, initially I liked it but then I didnt lol. Gonna have a think.
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zook
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I hate it. I think he has JJ+ a lot.
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Irisheyes
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I kinda though that a 100NL player wouldn't be capable of value shoving JJ and possibly even QQ on the river?
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Originally Posted by Irisheyes
I kinda though that a 100NL player wouldn't be capable of value shoving JJ and possibly even QQ on the river?
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why the fuck not
also your 4b size is too big it's like "I will felt anything if you shove because I have pot odds"
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Luke999
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Prefer a smaller 4bet.
Postflop is player dependent, I mean it's either he has like 99/1010+ etc or has A high.
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Irisheyes
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Don't get why you all are ragging on the 4bet size. I can clearly b/f for this amount and I want to create an inflection point for him. You think if I make it $23 he will shove $117 more with AQ? I don't. I need to make the pot big enough for it to be attractive for him to shove with more than QQ+ and AK if he turns out to be a little crazy.
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pocketfours
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fine imo
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pocketfours
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Originally Posted by Irisheyes
I kinda though that a 100NL player wouldn't be capable of value shoving JJ and possibly even QQ on the river?
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They most certainly are.
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Originally Posted by Irisheyes
Don't get why you all are ragging on the 4bet size. I can clearly b/f for this amount and I want to create an inflection point for him. You think if I make it $23 he will shove $117 more with AQ? I don't. I need to make the pot big enough for it to be attractive for him to shove with more than QQ+ and AK if he turns out to be a little crazy.
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you can clearly b/f for that amount but he may think you're only 4bing for value
I think if you're going to 4b big, then go for like $29, you're just not giving yourself good odds to 4b bluff if you make it 11->33.5
so that means when you 4b your strategy is not going to be to do it light A LOT when you make it this huge
I mean oh noes, playing in position, that much be so terrible
I must make it huge so my opponent can't really make any post-flop mistakes
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Irisheyes
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Was talking to a friend who suggested bet/folding the flop small and shoving loads of turns like  , and any jack through ace. That's like 60% of turns. He thinks it's rather important that I don't turn my hand face up on the flop like I did.
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pocketfours
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Originally Posted by Irisheyes
Was talking to a friend who suggested bet/folding the flop small and shoving loads of turns like , and any jack through ace. That's like 60% of turns. He thinks it's rather important that I don't turn my hand face up on the flop like I did. |
Check back some overpairs and you'll be fine.
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dsaxton
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Seems bad since he has to be 3-bet / calling a fair amount of the time with hands like J-T suited and be bluffing with them in this kind of situation. Doesn't seem very likely. If the board weren't double paired you might be able to make an argument for calling, but you don't even beat some freeroll bluff from A-J suited.
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oh yeah the most important reason to 4b smaller: so he calls more
just because you got the desired result here doesn't mean it's correct
also, bet the flop $19 and bet the turn like $29
I guarantee you he folds hands with outs
it's also not terrible to do with with an overpair because you can ship river for 1/2 pot and it's really hard for them to fold
you also generally get shipped on by strong draws so it's safe to do this until people start flatting my gay bets in 4b pots which they're not they usually just fold flop
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XTR1000
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4b sizing seems fine with those stacks. I dont get calling down vs a range that called a 4b oop.
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ATOTHEC101
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$24 pre, half pot flop, barrel a ton of turns. I'm guessing you're very unbalanced when you check the flop, i.e. hardly ever with aa-qq so don't do it unless you actually have the goods, though this is kinda redundant against this villain.
As played I think calling is meh but not terrible.
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nutsinho
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i must say i disagree w/ every street. 4bet a little smaller preflop, as played betcall flop, shove over turn bet, fold river. I shove turn to protect my hand against semibluffs and fold out chops occasionally, because i want to show my hand down, and most importantly because i do not think he will bluff river for half pot! i think if you are just calling turn you must fold river, especially a bad-ish river like this.
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IowaSkinsFan
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Id def fourbet smaller pre, dont be scared, your in pos with a sweet hand!
When he calls the fourbet i think his range is AA, tt-22, AQ/KQ or some sc type garbage. I think overall your pretty fucked here given that range. I'd bet flop for sure, easy three streets to see.
I think checking behind any overpairs here is a pretty garbage idea.
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griffey24
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4ball to 26 pre, $26/call on flop or $26/shove turn
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