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Old 02-23-2007, 07:09 AM     Post subject: absolutely disgusting hand... line check #1 (permalink)  
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 villan is a 65/5 over 40 hands. pretty much he sucks (obviously). his AF is .5, most hands i've seen him in is him calling down this terrible lagg with marginal holdings, but this LAGG has left.

I really wanted to puke my brains out when i saw him bet, the pot is just absolutely huge though. The reraise by me was a semi-squeezish.

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Table 'Bojeva' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: yoshig24 ($82.90 in chips)
Seat 2: LaJune ($87.95 in chips)
Seat 3: 4twoswilldo3 ($56.55 in chips)
Seat 4: redgrape ($108.70 in chips)
Seat 5: Darone19 ($257.15 in chips)
Seat 6: TOMPLAY BOY ($260.60 in chips)
redgrape: posts small blind $0.50
Darone19: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to redgrape [As Qd]
TOMPLAY BOY: calls $1
yoshig24: raises $3 to $4
LaJune: calls $4
4twoswilldo3: folds
redgrape: raises $14 to $18
Darone19: folds
TOMPLAY BOY: calls $17
yoshig24: folds
LaJune: calls $14
*** FLOP *** [6c Qs 4s]
redgrape: checks
TOMPLAY BOY: bets $22
LaJune: folds
redgrape: calls $22
*** TURN *** [6c Qs 4s] [3h]
redgrape: checks
TOMPLAY BOY: bets $28
redgrape: calls $28
*** RIVER *** [6c Qs 4s 3h] [4c]
redgrape: checks
TOMPLAY BOY: bets $51
redgrape: calls $40.70 and is all-in
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Old 02-23-2007, 07:54 AM #2 (permalink)  
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isn't top pair in his range on this board? i think i'd just check-raise it all in on the turn or flop assuming it is.
i'd also rather have more reads (like what opps call reraises with or how they play certain hands) before reraising oop pre flop.
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Old 02-23-2007, 09:45 AM #3 (permalink)  
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 IMO this is very very close. The fact that there are only 2 Q's left in the deck almost make me want to fold this spot. I think you're shown AA/KK and a set as much as you're shown Qx here.
when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
 
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Old 02-23-2007, 01:47 PM #4 (permalink)  
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 this is fine imo
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Old 02-23-2007, 05:24 PM #5 (permalink)  
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 im w/ genitruc on this one. i really want to fold this, but given bet sizes and pot size i dont think i can.
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Old 02-23-2007, 06:21 PM #6 (permalink)  
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im w/ genitruc on this one. i really want to fold this, but given bet sizes and pot size i dont think i can.
I think this is why he thought it was disgusting.
But then again he may have just put that to throw off the replyers.
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Old 02-23-2007, 06:55 PM #7 (permalink)  
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im w/ genitruc on this one. i really want to fold this, but given bet sizes and pot size i dont think i can.
I think this is why he thought it was disgusting.
But then again he may have just put that to throw off the replyers.
w/ the <1/2 PSB's on each street, i have a hard time folding against villains w/ these stats. its the .5 AF that doesnt make sense w/ the bets on each street.
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Old 02-23-2007, 07:01 PM #8 (permalink)  
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Low stakes player here, so this might sound dumb, but is this really the best way to play the hand?
I would feel pretty crap if I called off a whole buy in to a passive player with tptk.
I would bet out the flop & if he raises, given the pre-flop action & him being passive I could consider folding, but I might be missing something, dunno.
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Old 02-23-2007, 07:30 PM #9 (permalink)  
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bet flop and get him allin there
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im w/ genitruc on this one. i really want to fold this, but given bet sizes and pot size i dont think i can.
I think this is why he thought it was disgusting.
But then again he may have just put that to throw off the replyers.
w/ the <1/2 PSB's on each street, i have a hard time folding against villains w/ these stats. its the .5 AF that doesnt make sense w/ the bets on each street.
Once he bets the flop and esp. when he bets the turn I think that you have to make a decision about the entire hand and not just look at that one street in isolation. What I mean is it's pretty obvious villain is going to use his position and strength of calling a raise/reraise UTG and force us to put all of our money in by the end of the hand. So after the flop you're looking at calling off $79 to win ~165. So with a little over 2:1 here I think you're good over the 1/3 of the time to break even. I am never folding this against a retard (65/5).
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Old 02-23-2007, 07:53 PM #11 (permalink)  
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 i think this is a Qx way too much to worry about anything
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Old 02-23-2007, 08:05 PM #12 (permalink)  
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Why are you check-calling the flop? Please don't use some silly argument about "pot control."

As gabe said, you should've just played this hand in a much more straightforward way.
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Old 02-23-2007, 08:21 PM #13 (permalink)  
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 also timing is kinda important in this hand (as in time he took to limp, time he took to coldcall 17, etc)
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Old 02-23-2007, 09:00 PM #14 (permalink)  
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Why are you check-calling the flop? Please don't use some silly argument about "pot control."

As gabe said, you should've just played this hand in a much more straightforward way.
The reason i c/c flop is:
1. There are practically 0 scared cards that could come since i have the A of spades and would be more inclined to put my money in if a spade comes.
2. It was a multiway pot and Lajune is pretty tight and not bluffy. I wanted to see what he did before i put a bet out.
3. I feel i have to call TOMPLAY's bet since the pot is so big and i could definitely be beating him.

I probably shoulda put it in on the turn, but again... what are the scare cards? If i'm going all the way anyways what does it matter. This way at least i'm letting him bluff the 5% of the time he is bluffing.

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also timing is kinda important in this hand (as in time he took to limp, time he took to coldcall 17, etc)
I don't remember clearly but it definitely didn't take long, not exactly insta-bets though. Except for maybe the river bet, which i vaguely remember that he took a moment.
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Old 02-23-2007, 09:07 PM #15 (permalink)  
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 What is so disgusting? It's not like you can get away here.. I mean he has to have either 66 or 75 to beat us here..

EDIT: oh yeah I forgot AA/KK.. he's in EP, so he might've actually limped that..
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Old 02-23-2007, 09:12 PM #16 (permalink)  
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i know he limp called a reraise utg, but he plays 2/3 of his hands! QJs might look really good to him...it doesn't have to be only KK/AA. maybe if he typically limp-folds a ton though.
I really think this hand is not too complicated. you made tptk against an opp with a seemingly wide range to call, and essentially are a short stack. once you made that big oop reraise and get hu against this guy, just gotta pay it off if he outflopped u imo.
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Old 02-23-2007, 09:24 PM #17 (permalink)  
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I don't like c/c c/c c/c here, I could see check/calling the flop for reasons you mention, but I lead or c/r turn. His bet sizing seems not at all bluffy, but he could have just ran out of stack.
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Old 02-23-2007, 10:47 PM #18 (permalink)  
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As played insta-call river vs this villain.

If u even need to think at all given this price and villain then ur line is bad...

what im saying is that the only reason I would take this line is if I thought villain had complete air and would bluff 3 times with it, and there is a significant number of donks who do this.

If this isn't the case bet the flop or C/R the flop or turn, depending on villain's tendencies- essentially the more aggro the more you should be inclined to slowplay. Just realize it IS a slowplay and not pot control as ur stack should be going in here just about always.... Sauce.
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Old 02-24-2007, 08:53 AM #19 (permalink)  
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I think he got a 4...
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Old 02-24-2007, 12:20 PM #20 (permalink)  
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I agree with Renton. This is obviously an ok line in this spot.
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Old 02-24-2007, 06:07 PM #21 (permalink)  
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 Ok, now that this discussions seems to be over i'll tell you the results for your enjoyment.

He had K7o
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Old 02-24-2007, 07:27 PM #22 (permalink)  
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when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
 
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Old 02-24-2007, 07:34 PM #23 (permalink)  
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Ok, now that this discussions seems to be over i'll tell you the results for your enjoyment.

He had K7o
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Old 02-24-2007, 07:44 PM #24 (permalink)  
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 Why do fish think K7o is always the nuts?

Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 2: Shook_Foil ( $400 )
Seat 3: dutchboy2333 ( $1030 )
Seat 4: spector2 ( $459.30 )
Seat 5: HERO ( $1025.91 )
Seat 6: Freewheelinn ( $576.50 )
Seat 1: missysbuddy ( $339.29 )
dutchboy2333 posts small blind [$2].
spector2 posts big blind [$4].

** Dealing down cards **

Dealt to HERO [ 5h 5c ]
HERO raises [$14].
Freewheelinn folds.
missysbuddy folds.
dutchboy2333 calls [$12].
spector2 folds.

** Dealing Flop ** [ 3d, 8h, 4c ]

dutchboy2333 checks.
HERO bets [$22].
dutchboy2333 calls [$22].

** Dealing Turn ** [ Qs ]

dutchboy2333 checks.
HERO checks.

** Dealing River ** [ 5d ]

dutchboy2333 bets [$60].
HERO raises [$177].
dutchboy2333 raises [$434].
HERO calls [$317].
dutchboy2333 shows [ 7s, Kc ] high card king.
HERO shows [ 5h, 5c ] three of a kind, fives.
HERO wins $1062 from the main pot with three of a kind, fives.
when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
 
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Old 02-25-2007, 12:49 AM #25 (permalink)  
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Ok, now that this discussions seems to be over i'll tell you the results for your enjoyment.

He had K7o
I knew you were leveling in the title.
I wasn't leveling with the title. I felt like the situation was gross and was wondering how my line was.
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