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Numbr2intheWorld
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05-07-2007, 05:54 PM
Post subject: AA vs fishy fish
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etats oiho is a big fish. He runs like 50/20, and i actually have a decent sized sample on him because he somehow still has money. I'm not sure what a minraise UTG means, but i remember him doing it a few times before months ago and i don't think it's anything special.
He's a flop calling station, and too loose in general postflop. He would probably call a pot sized bet with a Flushdraw, i think he'd need a little better than that to call the overpush... he probably doesn't calculate pot odds or knows the odds of hands hitting.
POKERSTARS GAME #9794450741: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($1/$2) - 2007/05/07 - 13:35:49 (ET)
Table 'Megaira IV' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: jbons ($130.25 in chips)
Seat 2: IMSUPERCREAL ($213.05 in chips)
Seat 3: etats oiho ($311.40 in chips)
Seat 4: Leastz ($273.10 in chips)
Seat 5: MaSkeN ($188.10 in chips)
Seat 6: joesmoh11 ($253.95 in chips)
jbons: posts small blind $1
IMSUPERCREAL: posts big blind $2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to IMSUPERCREAL [Ah As]
etats oiho: raises $2 to $4
Leastz: folds
MaSkeN: folds
joesmoh11: folds
jbons: folds
IMSUPERCREAL: raises $14 to $18
etats oiho: calls $14
*** FLOP *** [Ts 7h Qs]
IMSUPERCREAL: bets $28
etats oiho: calls $28
*** TURN *** [Ts 7h Qs] [9d]
IMSUPERCREAL: bets $167.05 and is all-in
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IowaSkinsFan
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I think turn is best bet size considering his range and the fact that there's no way/reason to get away from AA here.
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zook
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What worse hands do you think will call? I like a value bet of ~$60 to try to keep draws in.
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gabe
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whats the question
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mcatdog
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Originally Posted by zook
What worse hands do you think will call? I like a value bet of ~$60 to try to keep draws in.
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that's too small unless you're going to fold if the draw completes
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Numbr2intheWorld
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Originally Posted by gabe
whats the question
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the question is what's the best turn bet size (since i'm guessing betting is the best choice).
sorry i didn't make that clear, and i'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or not.
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gabe
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allin is fine, just do it with AKs and QQQ too vs good people
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zook
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Originally Posted by mcatdog
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Originally Posted by zook
What worse hands do you think will call? I like a value bet of ~$60 to try to keep draws in.
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that's too small unless you're going to fold if the draw completes |
Why? 1/2 pot charges the flush draw adequately and $60 is 2/3 pot. I realize there are two draws there so we should charge more, but we can discount the J slightly.
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Numbr2intheWorld
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Originally Posted by zook
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Originally Posted by mcatdog
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Originally Posted by zook
What worse hands do you think will call? I like a value bet of ~$60 to try to keep draws in.
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that's too small unless you're going to fold if the draw completes |
Why? 1/2 pot charges the flush draw adequately and $60 is 2/3 pot. I realize there are two draws there so we should charge more, but we can discount the J slightly. |
The problem is that if a flush card comes on the river i'm probably calling a shove from this guy. Because of that, the implied odds are there for him, so if i think that i can't induce a shove from a draw with a smaller bet, i need to make a pretty big bet to cancel his implied odds.
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zook
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Originally Posted by Massimo
The problem is that if a flush card comes on the river i'm probably calling a shove from this guy. Because of that, the implied odds are there for him, so if i think that i can't induce a shove from a draw with a smaller bet, i need to make a pretty big bet to cancel his implied odds.
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But you want him to chase. By shoving you risk folding out draws and only getting calls from better hands. You want to bet an amount greater x and less than y, where x gives him odds to draw to the flush and y gets a fold.
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meeloche
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he probably doesn't calculate pot odds or knows the odds of hands hitting.
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If this is the case there is no point in worrying about bet size. And since he's a calling station you can probably get away with a larger bet size. I would bet closer to pot sized maybe a bit less. I'd push if i think it would get called.
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Numbr2intheWorld
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Originally Posted by meeloche
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he probably doesn't calculate pot odds or knows the odds of hands hitting.
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If this is the case there is no point in worrying about bet size. And since he's a calling station you can probably get away with a larger bet size. I would bet closer to pot sized maybe a bit less. I'd push if i think it would get called. |
Let me rephrase that, i just doubt he calculates them very well or is very disciplined about applying them.
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