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01-03-2009, 01:12 PM
Post subject: AA NL50 vs. donk
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The guy's a donk but capable of bluffing
OK, so here is how it went down:
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
Hero (MP) ($106.95)
CO ($107.75)
Button ($43.35)
SB ($49.50)
BB ($50)
UTG ($57.25)
Preflop: Hero is MP with A , A
1 fold, Hero raises to $2, CO calls $2, Button calls $2, 2 folds
Flop: ($6.75) 4 , 7, 5 (3 players)
Hero bets $6.50, CO calls $6.50, 1 fold
Turn: ($19.75) 5 (2 players)
Hero bets $15.50, CO calls $15.50
I think he's a on a draw, so I bet big because he's going to pay off big
River: ($50.75) 10 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $30.50, Hero calls $30.50
Straight draw missed, flush draw missed, I am checking to induce a bluff and snap calling
Total pot: $111.75 | Rake: $3
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sinister1
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Do you have more reads on specifically what type of donk he is? (e.g. call station) The only hands in his range that beat you are 5d6d, 44, 55, 77, 68s (most of which he would raise a lot of the time since its such a draw heavy flop). I like the check/call on the river here since donks will make those river bets with nuts or nothing and there is a good chance for him to have nothing (the majority of his range if he is a chaser).
I think you created an unneccessarily big pot with a relatively weak hand, but I can't fault you for trying to valuetown a donk. I hope he had AdTd and you pwned him, but I am guessing that was not the case 
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XTR1000
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preflop reads would help, vs a passive guy who can show up w/ 88-QQ on this river I just b/f. Sucks big time time if he checks his one pair hands thru.
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looks good
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ATOTHEC101
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I likes it.
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nutsinho
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seems pretty good
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I was more asking about the river because I don't b/f the river a lot, I c/c a lot with medium-strength hands
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kmind
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With your read it should be more of a c/c than b/f he has a lot of busted draws/shit he might turn into a bluff/value/whatever the fuck he wants to use the "bet" button for yet we beat
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nutsinho
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Originally Posted by iopq
I was more asking about the river because I don't b/f the river a lot, I c/c a lot with medium-strength hands
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i think most of us know what the question was. thats generally a bad strategy you have, but in this spot it is good because the ratio of busted draws + thin value bets to bluffcatchers in his range seems to favor a check/call
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STHollywood
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Originally Posted by iopq
I was more asking about the river because I don't b/f the river a lot, I c/c a lot with medium-strength hands
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i think most of us know what the question was. thats generally a bad strategy you have, but in this spot it is good because the ratio of busted draws + thin value bets to bluffcatchers in his range seems to favor a check/call |
I'm wondering for the sake of learning if you see this as a bet/fold if iopq was in fact to bet river here? If the villian was to shove over here, it is more likely that we are facing some sort of fullhouse-like nut hand, correct? And by c/c we are allowing a bluff such that it widens their range in our favor?
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Originally Posted by iopq
I was more asking about the river because I don't b/f the river a lot, I c/c a lot with medium-strength hands
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i think most of us know what the question was. thats generally a bad strategy you have, but in this spot it is good because the ratio of busted draws + thin value bets to bluffcatchers in his range seems to favor a check/call |
I'm wondering for the sake of learning if you see this as a bet/fold if iopq was in fact to bet river here? If the villian was to shove over here, it is more likely that we are facing some sort of fullhouse-like nut hand, correct? And by c/c we are allowing a bluff such that it widens their range in our favor? |
Don't listen to me but I would say yes, you are correct.
He's bluffing or betting worse 2 pair hands quite a bit here when checked to as opposed to folding most worse hands when bet to and shoving better hands.
Although cuz of stack sizes in this situation I would prob b/c if I bet.
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