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aislephive
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09-26-2006, 06:39 AM
Post subject: AA fold vs TAG.
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Villain in this hand was 17/10, somewhat on the nitty side. I don't think 45 is in his range here to call preflop, and he struck me as a decent tag, and no decent player is 3 betting something like AJ all in after the PFR raises his flop bet into three players. I'm almost positive he reraises KK/QQ preflop with the caller inbetween. So with the board being rainbow and everything I just said I think he has a set here a high percentage of the time. Thoughts?
My preflop raise was too small, I clicked the right click button for the bet pot script and that's why it did that.
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
CO ($426.50)
Hero ($428.80)
SB ($729.35)
BB ($403.90)
UTG ($218.21)
MP ($405.30)
Preflop: Hero is Button with A , A . SB posts a blind of $2.
UTG calls $4, MP calls $4, 1 fold, Hero raises to $16, SB (poster) calls $14, BB calls $12, UTG folds, MP calls $12.
Flop: ($68) J, 2 , 3 (4 players)
SB checks, BB bets $35, MP folds, Hero raises to $98, SB folds, BB calls $352.90 (All-In), Hero folds.
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Cocco_Bill
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yeah looks like a set, nice fold
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midas06
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I've been playing this the exact way. Is this abnormal for you?
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Hop_Gazza
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If he has a set why would he go all in? Surely he would want to extract the most chips for his hand by a smaller raise?
Pre flop looks like too much action for a further raise to be effective as there are already 3 in the pot with a caller still to come. How much, in this game, would you have to bet with JJ, QQ or KK to chase out the other players?
Perhaps on the other hand he 'read' you. Pre flop raise 3 BB - you are definitely not an AJ merchant (and if you had AA you would have raised much more!), so with your post flop raise the only way to get you to fold a pocket pair is to push all in.
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Genitruc
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nh
edit : if I call and am leading in this spot vs this villain, I feel like I sucked out on variance.
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bdawg56kg
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Fold is standard. I also dont mind calling his lead. Why only 4xbb pf?
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andy-akb
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Originally Posted by bdawg56kg
Fold is standard. I also dont mind calling his lead. Why only 4xbb pf?
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He explains why in his OP
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Originally Posted by Hop_Gazza
If he has a set why would he go all in? Surely he would want to extract the most chips for his hand by a smaller raise?
Pre flop looks like too much action for a further raise to be effective as there are already 3 in the pot with a caller still to come. How much, in this game, would you have to bet with JJ, QQ or KK to chase out the other players?
Perhaps on the other hand he 'read' you. Pre flop raise 3 BB - you are definitely not an AJ merchant (and if you had AA you would have raised much more!), so with your post flop raise the only way to get you to fold a pocket pair is to push all in.
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I agree that on this board with a set I dont think I would be that quick to push AI, but a player like this isnt going to go all in with nothing. As he said, AJ is not going to be to playing the flop this fast. A bet/3bet is the standard line of a set/combo draw, this board has no draws. The reason he is playing this so fast is because he hopes you have KK+, maybe QQ, and cant let go of your hand. I think this is a standard fold.
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aislephive
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Originally Posted by Hop_Gazza
If he has a set why would he go all in? Surely he would want to extract the most chips for his hand by a smaller raise?
Pre flop looks like too much action for a further raise to be effective as there are already 3 in the pot with a caller still to come. How much, in this game, would you have to bet with JJ, QQ or KK to chase out the other players?
Perhaps on the other hand he 'read' you. Pre flop raise 3 BB - you are definitely not an AJ merchant (and if you had AA you would have raised much more!), so with your post flop raise the only way to get you to fold a pocket pair is to push all in.
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Tight players play big hands fast like this all the time, hoping you go through the logic that you just did and call. The rest of your post I really have no idea what you said.
The fold might be standard, I know that at 1/2 I really was never folding here, and I haven't made too many AA flop folds on dry boards like this. I really couldn't put him on anything else but a set given the action and the fact that he was 17/10.
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gabe
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Originally Posted by aislephive
Tight players play big hands fast like this all the time...
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yea but not usually on such dry boards
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you're saying you're less likely to fold on a....'wet' board, right?
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Originally Posted by gabe
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Originally Posted by aislephive
Tight players play big hands fast like this all the time...
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yea but not usually on such dry boards |
When hero has shown this much strength, it seems like the board texture loses some relevance. Hero is basically flipping his cards over (not that this is a bad thing in this spot) by raising the flop in this scenario.
Villain, a tight player, is betting into 3 other players on a dry board (showing strength in and of itself), then gets raised. Looking at it from his point of view, he needs damn near the nuts to even continue in the pot. He almost definitely has a set here.
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gabe
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i dont know. on a heavily coordinated board, their range is a set or a big draw, then you are behind. but on a dry board you are either really ahead or way behind.
i usually would call in the hand posted in this thread if the flop is headsup. usually when someone is trying to put in alot of action on boards without draws they just have 1 pair that they like (like the villian having KK, sometimes AJ) or a weird two pair.
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ilikeaces86
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I would usually call and re-evaluate based on turn action.
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Originally Posted by ilikeaces86
I would usually call and re-evaluate based on turn action.
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Call his all-in and reevaluate on the turn?
Aislephive, I don't see how you can have the best hand here, so folding seems fine. A push from a set seems odd, but he might realize that it's suspicious if he " just calls" the big raise anyways.
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bdawg56kg
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Originally Posted by dsaxton
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Originally Posted by ilikeaces86
I would usually call and re-evaluate based on turn action.
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Call his all-in and reevaluate on the turn? |
I think he means call his flop donk, then re-evaluate. In a multi-way pot on this dry flop, I think calling is best. In a HU pot, then I'd prefer raising his donk, but calling works fine as well.
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Renton
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doesn't calling increase the chance that we get stacked on the turn if he has a set?
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Originally Posted by Hop_Gazza
If he has a set why would he go all in? Surely he would want to extract the most chips for his hand by a smaller raise?
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He led out and said he had a hand, you raised and said you had a hand too, a big hand here has little reason not to just push and hope you want to play for stacks.
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