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sweetlemon69
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07-18-2008, 01:12 PM
Post subject: AA 3way nit + spewie - ~150bb deep
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MP is kinda nitty, and SB is uber loose passive, no real reads. I was pretty worried about MP's snap calls, and that's what prevented me from shoving the river and better the turn harder. I wasn't really worried about the SB as I had him covered in range and $.
I just added the 'Call preflop raise stat' today and MP was at 5%. Totally had him on set mining, so on the river I figured I 'might' fold to a shove? bleh, his calling was freaky. Should I have bet more, say 1/3? Man at this point should I have just shoved the river regardless? Sticky.... AA/KK/QQ/33/55/22/99 are all in his range, and I figured I was only ahead of AsQs/AQo/KK..
MP = 18/10/1.2(60) ATS 18% Call PFR 5%
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (5 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
Button ($13.20)
SB ($3.65)
BB ($12.30)
Hero ($14.70)
MP ($14.25)
Preflop: Hero is UTG with A , A .
Hero raises to $0.4, MP calls $0.40, 1 fold, SB calls $0.35, 1 fold.
Flop: ($1.30) 5, Q, 3 (3 players)
SB bets $0.5, Hero raises to $1.7, MP calls $1.70, SB calls $1.20.
Turn: ($6.40) 2 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $3.3, MP calls $3.30, SB calls $1.55 (All-In).
River: ($14.55) 9 (3 players, 1 all-in)
Hero bets $4, MP calls $4.
Final Pot: $22.55
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dalecooper
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I don't hate your play although one could argue for a bigger bet on both the turn and river. Since he is nitty there's nothing wrong with feeling him out a little and keeping the pot size under control. After he calls two streets I would guess it's very unlikely he has your AA beat - it's much more probable that he has AQ, KQ, KK, or JJ and is just doggedly riding it to showdown. Obviously we're not worried about spewy at all - he could be drawing or have a pair of anythings.
On the river after the nit has called twice already, and the obvious draw didn't get there, I definitely like a value/semi-blocking bet. He calls that innocuous 9 much of the time with worse hands than yours, and you probably won't induce a bluff from him by checking, so just make another bet and hope he calls. You could play previous streets exactly the same and bet bigger on the river even - $6 feels about right to me if you're trying to encourage a call (which I think you should be) or frankly, just push - he'll call less but your overall value from the push is probably about the same.
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givememyleg
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WHO YA GONNA CALL?!??
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I hate that you didn't get all-in at some point.
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sweetlemon69
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Originally Posted by givememyleg
I hate that you didn't get all-in at some point.
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At what point do you prefer me to get it AI? Should I have open shoved the turn or shoved over SB's .50 bet with like $13? Or does the call on the turn scream draw/TPTK and jam the river?
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sweetlemon69
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Is this just standard to most people or something? Hoping people can comment on this 
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Renton
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bet/raise like 50-75% more on every street
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sweetlemon69
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Originally Posted by Renton
bet/raise like 50-75% more on every street
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and if MP does a substantial raise/shove, fold?
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dalecooper
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Originally Posted by sweetlemon69
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Originally Posted by Renton
bet/raise like 50-75% more on every street
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and if MP does a substantial raise/shove, fold? |
Depends which street we're talking about, how much has already gone into the pot, and how much the raise is. At a certain point you're going to be basically married to this hand.
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BankItDrew
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by sweetlemon69
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Originally Posted by Renton
bet/raise like 50-75% more on every street
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and if MP does a substantial raise/shove, fold? |
Yeah, we can find a fold if the raise is substantial enough + half decent reads.
In this spot, I do what you do and practically ignore the shorty and focus on the larger stack. What I do is assume villain has either 2nd best hand (KK, AQ etc.) and/or flush draw. Thus, we need to be betting around 3/4 pot on flop, turn, and river. This strength we show makes it easier to put villain on a stronger hand when they raise us. Whereas, if we donk a street or two with weak bets, we must think that one reason for villains raise could be because we induced a bluff - higher variance, tougher decision.
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