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01-08-2008, 04:27 PM
Post subject: AA 3bet pot with suspicious limp caller
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4-of-a-Kind
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UTG is weak-tight 15/7.
100bb stacks
Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1.00
6 players
Converter
Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is Button with A A
UTG calls $1.00, 1 fold CO raises to $3.00, Hero raises to $9.00, 2 folds, UTG calls $8.00, CO calls $6.00.
Flop: 6 K 9 ($28.50, 3 players)
UTG checks, CO checks, Hero bets $20.00, UTG calls $20.00, CO folds.
Turn: J ($68.50, 2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks.
River: 2 ($68.50, 2 players)
UTG bets $40.00, Hero ?
comments appreciated on turn and river. Do we play pot control or do we try to get it in here?
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Rondavu
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What it comes down to, is you should play the hand against AK after the flop. Considering AK is his most likely holding, do whatever it takes to stack AK. If you play poorly against AK here, you pay off his other likely holdings that already have you beat (KK, 99).
As played push or fold the river IMO. There are definately rare times I fold, but my read has to be right on. It's one of those things where if you can't read that you're beat convincingly, then it becomes an easy push.
I lean towards push because he didn't raise the flop.
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It's not what's inside that counts. Have you seen what's inside?
Internal organs. And they're getting uglier by the minute.
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Galapogos
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Rondavu are you aware he's playing the hand against a limp/caller and not the initial PFR? Because of this I'm thinking he's set mining. I think he's too tight to be limp/calling suited hands preflop so I actually like the way the hand is played if he just called on the river.
Also, reraise to 12 preflop.
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Originally Posted by sauce123
I don't get why you insist on stacking off with like jack high all the time.
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Ash256
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I don't mind your line too much, although PEANUTBUTTERSTACKOFFTIME is just as acceptable here. As played I think you gotta call the river in case he has clubs.
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chris_k14
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Have to bet turn here. If he't got a set you're unlucky.
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Irisheyes
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Ya I play to get all in here on the turn, If we get stacked by a set its an even smaller mistake then usual because it's a 3bet pot.
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will641
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Rondavu tell me if im wrong, but what is the point in shoving/folding as opposed to calling? he has $30 left behind rendering 0 FE except to a bluff, but theres no point in raising a bluff here. his range to me seems either 99/KK/66/AK or some weird random ass bluff although i seriously doubt it. Hell actually even KJ could be in his holdings. makes a little sense if you think about seeing as hes weak tight.
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Galapogos
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Why do people keep putting him on KK-AK? 15/7's do raise these preflop.
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Originally Posted by sauce123
I don't get why you insist on stacking off with like jack high all the time.
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Rondavu
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Villains range is polarized. Either he's playing AK this way, or you're behind.
You're definately not calling the river if if he has AK. That would be silly. Sometimes we tend to play a safe game of what ifs and call too often, but the fact of the matter is we're in the value business.
Galapagos, putting him on AK or KK in this spot is the equivalent to putting him on AK or anything that beats you.
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It's not what's inside that counts. Have you seen what's inside?
Internal organs. And they're getting uglier by the minute.
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noble007
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The advantage of him being weak tight is that he usually isn't raising the turn with anything we beat.
Therefore as there is a flush draw on the board I would probably bet the turn (1/2 pot+) to avoid giving clubs a free card, get value out of medium strength kings & I would fold (in this case) to a raise.
As played it's marginal but I probably call the river, you have under-represented your hand with a turn check on a drawy board & even
a weak tight may try bluff a busted flush in this spot or value bet a KQ type hand.
Also I agree with Galap that 15/7's raise premium hands pre-flop, their limping range is generally low to mid pp & suited/connected broadways.
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IowaSkinsFan
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Just call the river and don't make a fuss about it.
Definetely bet turn, and probably bet this river. If he raises the turn, fold.
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Pelion
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ok its time to confess. I never actually played this hand. This hand is taken from the "how to spot a set and save your stack" sticky. In the actual hand we river an A and shove over this value bet and villain instacalls and shows 99. The advice given in the thread was to fold the river unimproved. That struck me as pretty weak since our hand is so under-repped so I wanted to see what everyone else thought. It seems the opinion fairly split between pot control and trying to get it allin. I dont like trying to get it in here since I think the only hand we beat that comes along is AK, and preflop makes that unlikely. I still think we beat enough to call here but I dont think we are ahead enough, and get called enough that shoving the river as played isnt a complete spew.
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gabe: Ive dropped almost 100k in the past 35 days.
bigspenda73: But how much did you win?
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bigspenda73
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looks like a pretty easy b/c on the turn
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Ash256
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UTG played it BAD.
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Pelion
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UTG limp called preflop and called flop checkraised turn which is exactly what tight-passives almost always do. Its also what alot of poker sites and books have suggested for ever. But yea I agree its not the best.
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gabe: Ive dropped almost 100k in the past 35 days.
bigspenda73: But how much did you win?
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Irisheyes
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OMG I cant believe you lied to us
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Pelion
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gabe: Ive dropped almost 100k in the past 35 days.
bigspenda73: But how much did you win?
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Galapogos
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Ash256
UTG played it so insanely standard fora shitty player because they ALL play sets like this.
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Originally Posted by sauce123
I don't get why you insist on stacking off with like jack high all the time.
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