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Muzzard
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12-03-2007, 06:09 PM
Post subject: AA 25NL
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4-of-a-Kind
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Villain has been spewing chips all over the place since I sat down - running at 41/12/4.7. I had 3 bet his last 3 raises to isolate with AJs type hands and took them down on the flop all three times. This is my 4th 3-bet in quick succession. How do I approach the flop, I think bet sizing is key.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (4 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
Hero ($54.80)
UTG ($9.80)
Button ($25)
SB ($34.45)
Preflop: Hero is BB with A , A .
2 folds, SB raises to $1, Hero raises to $3, SB raises to $10.5, Hero calls $7.50.
Flop: ($21) 3 , J, 8 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets X?
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Vrax
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You have huge pot built, you pay off 3 combos off JJ vs 12 more likely combos of KK/QQ. Don't make silly things on that board like checking behind to trap or bet/fold fearing JJ.
Put him all-in, with around a pot behind there is actually the only way to play it. Alternatively you can stick it in by putting two chunks on flop and turn but it actually makes a little difference because any reasonable bet is a sure commitment.
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jackvance
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If you want to be consistent, metagame ok and such, bet half pot (it's pretty much committing).. but it might be ok here to even check the flop since turn+river will be enough to get it in.
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Deanglow
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I would bet halfpot to induce an allin raise. I definietely stick it in on the turn if he calls flop.
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bigspenda73
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I just shove PF, how many ppl do you see 4bet/fold?
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Seasider
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Why the hell does he check that board after 4 betting pre lol? Is it the 'OMG A MONSTER STOP BETTING' syndrome?
I'd bet $15 and let him put his last $10 in himself or push river if he doesnt oblige.
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Silly String
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Originally Posted by Spenda
I just shove PF, how many ppl do you see 4bet/fold?
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He could be sick of the hero 3betting him light and 4bet light back at Hero with a whiffed Axs. That is who 4bet/folds. You need to allow him to hang himself. I bet $11 and hope villain CR pushes over me. Obviously I'm seeing show down with all my money in here.
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Playing live . . . thanks alot Bin Laden.
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meeloche
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He could be sick of the hero 3betting him light and 4bet light back at Hero with a whiffed Axs. That is who 4bet/folds. You need to allow him to hang himself. I bet $11 and hope villain CR pushes over me. Obviously I'm seeing show down with all my money in here.
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Even then i think he still calls a shove pf because he's essentially already committed himself to the pot. I don't think you see a 4 bet fold at 25nl. Just get it in preflop don't let him get away on the flop, 5 bet shove.
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will641
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Originally Posted by bigspenda73
I just shove PF, how many ppl do you see 4bet/fold?
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you would be grossly surprised at how many times i have seen it happen to me where i shove over a 4 bet for like literally 2x and they fold.
but yeah pretty much i would c-bet like 14 and snap call shove. I think a shove isnt a good move, because he probably isnt c/c a shove if he was donk 4 betting.
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bigspenda73
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awesome, then we need to shove 5bet more, sounds grossly profitable.
re: silly string, that's when 5betting is great! it's going to allow us to pwn him from now on cuz he'll be scared and just play straight-forward.
Remember, in NL we don't want our opponents to be the aggressors.
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Dirty
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Once he puts a third of his stack in I think I shove here pf everytime.
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Muzzard
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Originally Posted by Vrax
You have huge pot built, you pay off 3 combos off JJ vs 12 more likely combos of KK/QQ. Don't make silly things on that board like checking behind to trap or bet/fold fearing JJ.
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I can only LOL here.
The point of this hand is I think he is playing back. What amount can I bet on the flop where worse hands will call or push. I don't want to push the flop as only AJ/QQ/KK or sets are calling. I think his range is a whole lot wider than that.
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Silly String
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Originally Posted by bigspenda73
awesome, then we need to shove 5bet more, sounds grossly profitable.
re: silly string, that's when 5betting is great! it's going to allow us to pwn him from now on cuz he'll be scared and just play straight-forward.
Remember, in NL we don't want our opponents to be the aggressors.
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Nevermind, I mis-read your earlier post. I thought you said who 4bets and then folds the flop. . .
obviously Axs is committed here.
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Playing live . . . thanks alot Bin Laden.
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Vrax
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Originally Posted by PokerMuzz
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Originally Posted by Vrax
You have huge pot built, you pay off 3 combos off JJ vs 12 more likely combos of KK/QQ. Don't make silly things on that board like checking behind to trap or bet/fold fearing JJ.
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I can only LOL here.
The point of this hand is I think he is playing back. What amount can I bet on the flop where worse hands will call or push. I don't want to push the flop as only AJ/QQ/KK or sets are calling. I think his range is a whole lot wider than that. |
Trapping is really bad here, because:
You pressured villain off several hands before.
You got into him into preflop pissing contest
He's probably tilting and thinks you're FOS.
His range is wider, than big PP's/big overs.
He could hit piece of board and hope you got spewy with AK
If he has a piece of it, then giving him cheap 5-outer then paying it off like slot machine is worst blunder in poker.
Bomb it, you'll can get many absurd calls in that spot.
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"How could I call that bet? How could you MAKE that bet? It's poker not solitaire. " - that Gus Bronson guy
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bigspenda73
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do not slowplay in big pots
do not slowplay in big pots
do not slowplay in big pots
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bode
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easiest.....shove pre.....evaaaaaarrrrrr!!!!!!
seriously, with the short history you described just shove.
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