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  1. #1

    Default AA 200NL

    roughly 100bb stacks
    no unique history, no estabished image for either player
    no unique known leaks on villain
    200NL 6 handed on Pokerstars
    not in a vacuum


    you raise AA UTG. a TAG regular who actually does some coldcalling with more than pairs calls on BTN, the pot is heads up.

    Flop comes Q93r

    what line would you prefer (turn/river cards don't greatly alter board texture)?

    1. bet flop, bet/fold turn, check/fold river
    2. check/call flop, check/call turn, check/fold river
    3. check/raise flop, check/fold turn, bet/fold river
    4. bet flop, check/call turn, check/fold river
    5. bet flop, bet/fold turn, bet/fold river
    6. check/raise flop, check/fold turn, check/raise river


    obviously your answer to the question will depend on what kind of image you want that player to have of you. im particularly interested in detail what adjustments you would make if you take lines 2, 5 or 6. i read some cool poker content tonight and for the first time in a while i feel like im really making progress understanding poker.

    *for those who dont play these games, a TAG regulars' bluffing frequency when you check to them on a board like this is extremely high
    Quote Originally Posted by Carroters
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  2. #2
    4 and 1 is my standard in this spot with me leaning more towards 1 depending on the player. I really don't like any line that involves c/r this flop cause it really creates a lot more work for you in balancing and I just don't think playing this bizarre will be any more profitable than just balancing your cbets or c/r on more coordinated boards where draws are in your range.
  3. #3
    way too general of question. it all depends too much on what happens.
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    I would need to see a really ugly board to even think about folding.
  5. #5
    Vi, is there a reason that you didn't put a bet/call, bet/call, shove line in there? Because that's my standard.
  6. #6
    i would never ever check here, is that bad? i very rarely cr as a pfr also, what kind of spots are good for this (boards, hand, opp etc)? i might check behind a big pair on this board against nitty types sometimes (not often).

    i'd consider folding to turn raise if i thought the guy was nitty/weak tight, but since your post says they have no noticeable leaks i'm probably not folding as others have mentioned. turn and river cards affect the rest of the action tons for me also.

    line 2 i can't see how we fold river. line 6 is just wacky and i rarely see it, the way the opponent interprets this is vital for how i continue. what is the thinking behind 2,3 and 6? i can't see any motivation for it, is it purely image?
  7. #7
    Quote Originally Posted by minSim
    Vi, is there a reason that you didn't put a bet/call, bet/call, shove line in there? Because that's my standard.
  8. #8
    Quote Originally Posted by meeloche
    4 and 1 is my standard in this spot with me leaning more towards 1 depending on the player. I really don't like any line that involves c/r this flop cause it really creates a lot more work for you in balancing and I just don't think playing this bizarre will be any more profitable than just balancing your cbets or c/r on more coordinated boards where draws are in your range.

    balancing is something that i realized i think too much about when im playing, after i read Jman's well post and a few other threads he started. what's more important than having a range that's actually balanced is being aware of what your opponent thinks of your range (i.e. you have check/raised 3 flops on him this session, and every time folded to a turn bet. he is going to think you are usually check/raising the flop light even if your actual range contains nut hands 50% of the time or something ridiculous like that).

    yea line one is superstandard versus most TAGs, line four usually works well versus me
    Quote Originally Posted by Carroters
    Ambition is fucking great, but you're trying to dig up gold with a rocket launcher and are going to blow the whole lot to shit unless you refine your tools
  9. #9
    Quote Originally Posted by Fnord
    I would need to see a really ugly board to even think about folding.
    also addressing minsim/zook:


    honestly i didn't include a bet flop/bet/call turn/shove river line because i didn't think i would take that line. if i were floated on the flop and raised on the turn, i would usually give up my hand if i wasn't sure how often my opponent was floating. i wouldn't call a raise because i wouldn't think i'd get to see a showdown. IMO his range would contain hands that know they can't win at showdown or nut hands that he definitely isn't going to check behind on the river with.
    Quote Originally Posted by Carroters
    Ambition is fucking great, but you're trying to dig up gold with a rocket launcher and are going to blow the whole lot to shit unless you refine your tools
  10. #10
    I like bet flop, check raise turn on this flop. Especially since a lot of regs will float this flop and bet a lot of weak hands on the turn.
  11. #11
    Quote Originally Posted by gametight
    I like bet flop, check raise turn on this flop. Especially since a lot of regs will float this flop and bet a lot of weak hands on the turn.

    this kind of turns our hand into a bluff (unless you are seeing ppl call here with TP and calling a river bet also)
    Quote Originally Posted by Carroters
    Ambition is fucking great, but you're trying to dig up gold with a rocket launcher and are going to blow the whole lot to shit unless you refine your tools

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