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NLHE lahooozaher
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07-19-2006, 01:31 AM
Post subject: AA $50 c/r by nit
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opp is 11/11/1.0. I have a rule for myself that says never fold AA/KK in a HU pot.
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
BB ($47.60)
Hero ($53.50)
MP ($85.34)
CO ($65.22)
Button ($43.40)
SB ($51.60)
Preflop: Hero is UTG with A , A . SB posts a blind of $0.25.
Hero raises to $2, 3 folds, SB (poster) calls $1.75, 1 fold.
Awesome a nit calls!
Flop: ($4.50) 9, 7, 4 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $3.5, SB raises to $12.41, Hero calls $8.91.
Even better, I'm c/r'ed. Well no point in 3 betting here I'm either WA/WB.
Turn: ($29.32) 5 (2 players)
SB bets $26.71, Hero calls $39.09 (All-In), SB calls $10.48 (All-In).
He wouldn't really pot it with a set would he? Well I don't think so, so $%&* it I'm AI. Awesome thought process?
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alias2211
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07-19-2006, 02:11 AM
Post subject: Re: AA $50 c/r by nit
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Originally Posted by NLHE lahooozaher
I have a rule for myself that says never fold AA/KK pre-flop. instead i just reevaluate on the flop.
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Awaji E
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You didn't want to go all-in on the flop, but went all-in on the turn un-improved. Why? Did you think he was on a flush draw?
Straight, 2-pair, and a set are all possiblities here. I'd probably call the check-raise, but fold to the turn bet.
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NLHE lahooozaher
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Originally Posted by Awaji E
You didn't want to go all-in on the flop, but went all-in on the turn un-improved. Why? Did you think he was on a flush draw?
Straight, 2-pair, and a set are all possiblities here. I'd probably call the check-raise, but fold to the turn bet.
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Cuz I only had $10 left? I didn't think he'd fold for $10 more and I didn't think he'd check the river either so I just put it in for him.
Sorry, Alias, it's not never I just made it more dramatic.
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Awaji E
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If you're going to call the turn bet, it's better to go all-in like you did, I get that. The turn bet was practically an all-in by villian anyways. My point is that, you didn't want to go all-in on the flop, but afer villian went esentially all in on the turn, you decided to call. I was thinking that either folding to the c/r, or if you're willing to play for stacks, going all-in after the c/r, might be better lines. Calling the c/r only increases the chance of him sucking-out on you.
Is that bad advice?
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NLHE lahooozaher
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Originally Posted by Awaji E
If you're going to call the turn bet, it's better to go all-in like you did, I get that. The turn bet was practically an all-in by villian anyways. My point is that, you didn't want to go all-in on the flop, but afer villian went esentially all in on the turn, you decided to call. I was thinking that either folding to the c/r, or if you're willing to play for stacks, going all-in after the c/r, might be better lines. Calling the c/r only increases the chance of him sucking-out on you.
Is that bad advice?
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By 3betting the flop villian knows you have a very small range now. I'm pretty sure he has a set or TT-KK. If I just call the flop I could have lots of hands like a suited connector that has a straight draw or flush draw maybe A9 or trash like that. So by calling the flop I'm not giving him information on my hand, I still have a wide range in his eyes. Against a nit I consider this to be a way ahead or way behind situation(WA/WB) and if I reraise I may scare off a worse hand that I want to play against but if I 3bet he will usually call with anything that beats me and fold all worse hands. I also think this is why you should raise a very wide range preflop, because your hand when in position is very hard to read.
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Miffed22001
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the best line here is certainly to call on the flop. We fold to any obvious danger card that completes draws, however beyond that we have to decide if we like our hand or not vs opps range. Standard line now seems to be that we c/r all in on the turn or just push over a turn bet.
A draw could pot this turn and push weak/tights off AA and as noted why would a set pot this turn, it folds so many weak hands. Without opp having a strong read we have a big overpair we like, potting the turn looks suspiciously like a draw to me.
Added bonus here is position in that we can evaluate whether opp wants us to call here or not. What does $26 do here and for the river that $15 does not?
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bdawg56kg
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07-19-2006, 07:23 AM
Post subject: Re: AA $50 c/r by nit
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Originally Posted by NLHE lahooozaher
I have a rule for myself that says never fold AA/KK in a HU pot.
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WTF?
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Originally Posted by NLHE lahooozaher
Well no point in 3 betting here I'm either WA/WB.
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How do you determine that this is wa/wb? If he has a flush/straight draw or combo draw, you are not way ahead! Against certain opponents 3-betting here is perfectly fine, even optimal if you have some history.
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Originally Posted by NLHE lahooozaher
He wouldn't really pot it with a set would he?
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Of course he would. If he wants his semi-bluffs to have some FE, he has to play his made hands exactly the same. (ie. pot or 3/4 pot)
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Originally Posted by NLHE lahooozaher
By 3betting the flop villian knows you have a very small range now.
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Not true at all. If the game is very nitty, then maybe. But in a fast and aggressive game, this is anything but true.
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NLHE lahooozaher
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perhaps you missed the part where I said I was exagerating.
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How do you determine that this is wa/wb? If he has a flush/straight draw or combo draw, you are not way ahead! Against certain opponents 3-betting here is perfectly fine, even optimal if you have some history.
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He's not calling suited connettors OOP. As for the flop play, he has very lil AF aggression
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Of course he would. If he wants his semi-bluffs to have some FE, he has to play his made hands exactly the same. (ie. pot or 3/4 pot)
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Aggression factor = 1.0. Doubt he bets a huge amount for deception.
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Not true at all. If the game is very nitty, then maybe. But in a fast and aggressive game, this is anything but true.
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It's a $50 game, you think it's very aggressive?
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Robert
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flop is fine, I fold turn to such a nit.
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