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10-09-2009, 08:03 PM Post subject: 99 calling 3-bet in postion vs aggro reg.

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Villain is a reg running 28/24/14 3bet over 110 hands. I've been battling with him a fair bit so there's certainly an aggro dynamic here. He's been 3-betting a ton from the blinds so I feel like 99 is comfortably ahead of his range and should be an easy defend. Trouble is I suck post flop.

I expect a c-bet on pretty much any board bar the drawiest ones he's totally missed. I feel a flop call is std since I'm obv not defending preflop to fold on a flop like this.

This turn card sucks because plenty of his range now gets there, however, I believe he fires it with all his air aswell as all kings, jacks, nut hands etc. Since he's barrelled half pot, I decide to call given that he will be firing this turn so wide imo. This may be prety marginal but I don't think he's sick good enough to fire the river with air, although I guess I can never have better than like TT and there's no Ks in my range. Thinking I'm pretty much fucked and should just fold the turn b/c my range is so weak and his is pretty polarized and contains kings where as mine doesn't. Unless that is I wanna call off river aswell, but that seems kind of insane without a more accurate read.

So, basically I just feel like this is a big leak for me and that I'm always being pwned when I defend to a 3-bet with 99-JJ in late position.

Idk if he's good enough to realise how weak my range is here, if he is then obv I can't just flat turn to fold river since wtf can I possibly call 3 streets with as played?

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No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (4 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG ($33.70)
Hero (Button) ($143.65)
SB ($64.70)
BB ($33.55)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 9

, 9

1 fold, Hero bets $1.75, SB raises $5.75, 1 fold, Hero calls $4.25

Flop: ($12.50) J

, J

, 6

(2 players)
SB bets $8, Hero calls $8

Turn: ($28.50) K

(2 players)
SB bets $14, Hero calls $14

River: ($56.50) 4

(2 players)
SB bets $36.70 (All-In), Hero folds

Total pot: $56.50

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10-09-2009, 09:00 PM

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I fold the turn...

BUT i raise the flop here!

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10-09-2009, 09:11 PM

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if you posted this hand with the same description but the stakes were higher i would say just 4b and get it in

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10-09-2009, 09:45 PM

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if you posted this hand with the same description but the stakes were higher i would say just 4b and get it in

Yeah, trouble with 50NL is that the std light 3 betting range is pretty polarized and we never really get it in with worse.

I'd like to 4 bet bluff here, but feel it's a waste of my hand in position when i can 4 bet bluff A4s KTo or whatever and have blockers.

Idk, I never think to raise in spots like this when I have sd value in a 3-bet pot, but yeah there isn't much excpet overpairs and jacks he can shove over us with on this board so I guess he has to fold a ton since we know his range is wide enough for overpairs to be a very small poriton.

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10-09-2009, 10:54 PM

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if you posted this hand with the same description but the stakes were higher i would say just 4b and get it in

Yaah this.

Though regardless of the stakes, if he's being that aggro I'd prob still 4bet get it in.

I think we'll get owned too much postflop calling with 99 to an aggro player.

But yah I'd raise flop to like 21 and call a shove.

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10-11-2009, 03:58 PM

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wow can't believe i am hearing this.... raising flop? that is so results oriented and accomplishes nothing. 4b and get it in is marginal not saying i haven't done it before but notice we are a little deeper. So i much rather flat in pos. Raising accomplishes nothing but gets us to put the money in behind and folds out his air.

I think u played it fine i like ur analyisis, i can say i get into these spots a lot and i never see them firing the 3rd bullet as air although maybe some would

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10-11-2009, 08:11 PM

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If someone is 3betting very wide and you decide to play passively in a game where the difference in hand strengths go down as you see more streets then your just letting him win.

Since this guy has a 14% 3bet im pretty happy about raising the flop. He could easily get it in with a 6 suited connector a lower pair, or just straight up rebluff. IF you find he just folds everything but better than raise bluff EVERYTIME. christ

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10-12-2009, 06:06 AM

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first, its 110 hands, cool it guys. that doesnt mean hes 3betting 14% for eternity, this should make him less likely to 3bet light since presumably hes aware of the aggro dynamic between himself and the OP.

so sure, flat preflop, you need to be reasonably sure hes going to flat a 4bet with worse/5bet jam airy hands like 65s maybe 1/3 the time to make 4bet/getting it in your best option. i dont think this is the case at 50nl.

raising/getting in the flop seems fine for the reasons max stated.

i dont think you lose much by flatting the flop tho since you are in position.

also, you seem to be aware that you are getting owned on these boards without initiative. the adjustment you need to make if u continue to play made hands like 99 passively is to float with hands like QJ KQ KJ AJ AT etc and folds some hands like 22-55 so that you can more confidently pick off extra barrels and valuebet your overs when u hit them and he checks, since it seems clear players at this level are going to give you credit for a med PP type hands by default when you flat flops like these. if they never give you credit or bluff way too much on these boards then always flat QQ-AA, AK until they adjust.

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