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EzDuzIt
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08-28-2007, 04:18 AM
Post subject: 99 - 200nl
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Full House
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Only had like 10 hands on villan and he was something like 52/24 over it but only 10 hands...
His river bet just seems like a bluff? like AK kind of hand or slowplayed trips. what do you think?
Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)
SB: $316.20
BB: $198.00
UTG: $185.70
MP: $200.00
CO: $301.15
Hero (BTN): $216.70
Preflop: Hero is dealt 9 9 (6 Players)
2 folds, CO raises to $6.00, Hero raises to $19.00, 2 folds, CO calls $13.00
Flop: ($41) 6 T T (2 Players)
CO checks, Hero bets $26.00, CO calls $26.00
Turn: ($93) 5 (2 Players)
CO checks, Hero checks
River: ($93) Q (2 Players)
CO bets $93.00, Hero
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snowbird4life
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hmm, i think i bet a little more on most streets. I make it more preflop and probably bet a little bit more on the flop.
As played, although it is tuff and looks so much like a ten, i probably call, mostly because of villains stats even given the small sample.
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Numbr2intheWorld
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His range is very polarized. You have to remember that you only have to be winning 33% of the time here for this to be a good call, so it's pretty close.
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GrindCity3
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Join Date: Aug 2007
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yea definitley tough spot probably call....
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I gotta get back to the money....
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bode
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i think i call here. This seems like a good spot to double barrell though, amirite?
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AHiltz
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Bet the turn
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Galapogos
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4-of-a-Kind
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I fold this river as played. You gave big preflop stats but no indication of how he plays post-flop. This is just too often a donkey trying to make up value with his big hands when he lost some on the turn. I would have rather bet the turn too.
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Originally Posted by sauce123
I don't get why you insist on stacking off with like jack high all the time.
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EzDuzIt
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yeah i suppose i could double barrel the turn but that almost makes my hand more of a bluff? and checking keeps the pot smaller which i kind of like against a guy i dont know much about in a 3bet pot with only 99 here.
i guess i might as well post the results now... i called, he had   lol
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sauce123
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i would never ever call this river bet without a read-so fold
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I got more flava than fruitstripe gum
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Vi-Zer0Skill
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Originally Posted by Bode-ist
i think i call here. This seems like a good spot to double barrell though, amirite?
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I don't like a turn bet, since we are behind almost any hand that calls a turn bet and we have showdown value against a lot of the hands this player would c/c the flop with. It's also very unlikely villain is holding a drawing hand, and there is only 1 more card left to come.
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Originally Posted by Carroters
Ambition is fucking great, but you're trying to dig up gold with a rocket launcher and are going to blow the whole lot to shit unless you refine your tools
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Vi-Zer0Skill
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This doesn't look like a line that an aggro donkey would take. I would expect him to make a move earlier in the hand than on the river.
3 bet for more preflop!
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Originally Posted by Carroters
Ambition is fucking great, but you're trying to dig up gold with a rocket launcher and are going to blow the whole lot to shit unless you refine your tools
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EzDuzIt
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whats the point of 3betting more than this in position?
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Vi-Zer0Skill
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Reagan's Kid
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Originally Posted by EzDuzIt
whats the point of 3betting more than this in position?
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15:1 set odds on your 3betting range preflop are really good.
True you lose less when called since you are going to be bluffing more often IP, but you will get a ton of action on your 3bets just because of the PO/IO you are offereing.
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Originally Posted by Carroters
Ambition is fucking great, but you're trying to dig up gold with a rocket launcher and are going to blow the whole lot to shit unless you refine your tools
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minSim
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As long as you aren't stacking of light you're not really offering him 15:1. I don't think there is anything wrong with 3-bet size.
I think I b/f turn and I'm not calling the river. If it was 1/2 pot I'd call.
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larsmars
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Originally Posted by Vi-Zer0Skill
I don't like a turn bet, since we are behind almost any hand that calls a turn bet and we have showdown value against a lot of the hands this player would c/c the flop with. It's also very unlikely villain is holding a drawing hand, and there is only 1 more card left to come.
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I agree, you don't need to bet the turn here.
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Vi-Zer0Skill
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Reagan's Kid
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Hypothetically, and assuming 100xBB stacks, if you were to call a late position 4xBB open from the BTN with a small pair, you would be getting 25:1 IO. Those are great odds except against the loosest and best postflop players, and therefore a call would almost never be a -EV play (3betting would probably be more +EV, but my point still stands). Though most players are opening a wider range from late positions, 25:1 odds on their stack is still way too good to pass up.
I am going to assume EZDuzit's 3bets ~8-10% of his total hands preflop. If he has a 22-28% PFR in later positions, then he is 3betting ~1/3 of his opening range from those positions - which is reasonable.
For villain in the posted hand, he is being offered 15:1 on EzDuzit's 3bet range, which in absolute terms is fairly small. And EzDuzit will stack off on the flop sometimes (like when he is actually holding Q-Q+, or has A-K and hits TPTK, or if he flops some other second best hand to a set). Calling EzDuzit's 3bet with the IO's villain is being offered would not be a mistake, and in fact is probably the optimal play in that spot.
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Originally Posted by Carroters
Ambition is fucking great, but you're trying to dig up gold with a rocket launcher and are going to blow the whole lot to shit unless you refine your tools
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EzDuzIt
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Full House
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yeah but im not going to stack off that much when he hits a set and if he wants to come along with a smaller pp im pretty much winning the pot every time he doesnt make a set or some other hand.
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