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gabe
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07-20-2006, 12:41 AM
Post subject: 9 high isn't good so i push
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villian is TAG on a few of my tables, other than that no read.
is this good
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
Button ($678)
SB ($687.80)
BB ($407.25)
UTG ($288.51)
MP ($297)
Hero ($764.50)
Preflop: Hero is CO with 5 , 9. SB posts a blind of $3.
2 folds, Hero raises to $20, Button calls $20, SB (poster) calls $17, 1 fold.
Flop: ($66) 8 , K, 6 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $50, Button calls $50, SB folds.
Turn: ($166) J (2 players)
Hero bets $150, Button calls $150.
River: ($466) 3 (2 players)
button has $450 left, i have him coverd so i push....
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andr3w321
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I don't think he's going anywhere. He probably calls this like 70% of the time. Being oop sucks. In position you might be able to tell if he's on some sort of draw but this really looks like a KJ/KQ type hand.
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benny999
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You'd think a tag would raise a good hand like 2 pair+ at some point, especially the turn. So it prob means he's weak or on a draw, which means a river bluff could work a lot, but 50%? In my last thread you wrote that big river bets look like bluffs...so why not bet river like 1/2 or 2/3 pot?
Another possibility is he sees you as a maniac and called down to induce this. That turn bet does seem committing. Being oop definitely sucks. I'd wait for a better read/situation for 3 barrells but I'm more conservative. Do you find this works a lot of the time?
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jackvance
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Not my cup of tea.. but maybe it's necessary at the higher stakes to ever get paid on real hands? I don't really see the merit on an individual basis.. he called two pot-sized bets.. turn and river were pretty much blanks.. why would he fold to a PSB now?
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r8ed
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Nice read. I can't even see a set playing this way as they would have made a move on the turn at least. Looks like he has AQs or he feels he can use his position if you back off. Only a set or possibly KJ would call this - both those hands make their move on the turn.
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gabe
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Originally Posted by r8ed
Only a set or possibly KJ would call this - both those hands make their move on the turn.
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thats exactly what i was thinking.....if not the flop then def. by the turn
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WildBobAA
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you're crazy, i'll never be able to play this high
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bdawg56kg
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I like this. I'm assuming you haven't been getting out of line, right? What do you think about c/r ai on the turn?
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theDEEPdish
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Originally Posted by bdawg56kg
I like this. I'm assuming you haven't been getting out of line, right? What do you think about c/r ai on the turn?
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check raising on turn seems bad because of how often he checks behind if hes on a draw
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Irisheyes
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If this was me I would fold KQ/AK.
I don't like c/r turn because of what deepdish said.
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gabe
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so what hand that villian plays like this can he call with
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Trikflow77
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I call u with top pair easy here....looks like a missed draw, i dont think i would try this vs. a good hand reader.
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theDEEPdish
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Originally Posted by gabe
so what hand that villian plays like this can he call with
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against you A high
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r8ed
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Regardless of what he has it was played poorly unless he can read you like a book. A set, KJ, AK, QQ(?), AA may be able to call this.
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bdawg56kg
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Originally Posted by theDEEPdish
check raising on turn seems bad because of how often he checks behind if hes on a draw
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First of all, why is it a bad thing if the turn goes check/check? We get a free look at the river to make our draw. Also, villian could very well be floating the flop (hero did open on co and villian called on button). Lastly, I think you are assuming that villian checks behind all draws here, which I don't think is true at all.
On a side note, I'm not sure if you guys are being sarastic or not, but I don't think gabe is nearly as LAG/maniac as you guys view him, which is exactly why he expects this river push to be +EV.
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gabe
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Originally Posted by bdawg56kg
w. Also, villian could very well be floating the flop
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if we think sometimes his plan was to float, betting seems better than checking
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bair
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i like this, a lot. looks like you have exactly KJ
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andr3w321
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So did he call w/ AQ and PWN U Gabe!!!???
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gabe
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he had AA and ..uh.... trapped me?
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Trikflow77
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Originally Posted by Trikflow77
I call u with top pair easy here....looks like a missed draw, i dont think i would try this vs. a good hand reader.
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obvvv he called.....if you put him on air or a weaker hand why not half pot it or so.....looking for max fold EQ?????
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gabe
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lol....i dont see how you can say missed draw when i bet every street i could
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mcatdog
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I think this is fine assuming that you have a set more often than not when you play a hand like this. If you get out of line too often, that's obviously exploitable by a decent TAG who knows how you play, and I think it's OK to occasionally just call someone down with a big hand on a draw-heavy board in order to rep the draw and induce a bluff from them when the draw misses.
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Miffed22001
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i like how you played this. I love to see a one pair hand, esp something like AA or even KK if the flop was Qxx becasue it proves players will get it all in when we flop a monster hand here.
I still cant decide, even without the results whether i like how you played the river here. Tags dont call the turn with a draw here often do they?
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Trikflow77
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Originally Posted by gabe
lol....i dont see how you can say missed draw when i bad every street i could
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lol i thought he was betting into u the whole time......
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Genitruc
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kind of unrelated. but kind of relevant... not to the hand... but i m curious :
gabe what do you run at typically
or is this confidential information
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when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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Genitruc
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oh yeah.
if u know he has AA I like the way you played it if you will be sitting with him a lot. he will prob pay you off big.
or he is just a mediocre player who will always slowplay and never fold AA. why would he do this against you if u are an unknown. i don t understand.
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when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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gabe
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Originally Posted by Genitruc
kind of unrelated. but kind of relevant... not to the hand... but i m curious :
gabe what do you run at typically
or is this confidential information
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depends on my mood
21/17 on weak passive tables, 18/13 on the other ones
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Genitruc
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cool thx
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when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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