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Carroters
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04-06-2010, 02:24 PM
Post subject: 89s Flops low straight, flush card river spot.
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Da Amberlamps
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Villain is 13/9 over 70 hands. He seems quite passive and has c bet 0/2 flops so far in this sample.
I decided to just lead three streets to stop him checking back draws to better hands or pairs etc.
This river is kind of annoying, not because I expect himto have a flush too often, but because I don't think hands like 2 pair are going to be calling that often. I hate hate hate my bet sizing here, it was thoughtless and lacked a plan, because it makes b/f meh and takes away a lot of his hands that could call say $13. Does b/f 13-14 sound okay?
As played I still want to fold here because I doubt we're ever good more than 10% of the time or so.
Thoughts?
No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (4 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
UTG ($52)
Button ($54.40)
SB ($52.60)
Hero (BB) ($50)
Preflop: Hero is BB with 9 , 8
1 fold, Button bets $1.50, 1 fold, Hero calls $1
Flop: ($3.25) Q , 10, J (2 players)
Hero bets $3, Button calls $3
Turn: ($9.25) 5 (2 players)
Hero bets $7, Button calls $7
River: ($23.25) 3 (2 players)
Hero bets $17, Button raises $42.90 (All-In), Hero?
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pocketfours
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River sizing is fine.
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shakesss
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Straight
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Looks ok. I might have made it 15 but not much lesser than that.
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Dragon Slayer
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Straight
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I don't think the river bet size was bad, maybe could go for a bit less. I think river fold here is good.
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Mr. Diamond
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Straight
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I like flop sizing and I would probably bet something like 7,5-8,25 on the turn
- on the river I'm betting 15-16 and folding to raise
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Bradley
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3-of-a-Kind
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You say on the river hands like 2 pair aren't going to be calling often, so what's the value in betting?
Anyone care to explain to me why a c/c on the river is not an option? If he hit the flush he's probably betting 15-18 for value so we lose the same amount as b/f but we actually get a showdown.
2 pair hands are checking it back, but they're folding to most valuebets anyways on a wet board like this, so we don't lose value. All seems logic to me.
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Carroters
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4-of-a-Kind
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A c/c is retarded because he never bets a worse hand and checks behind a lot of worse hands that might call a non-huge bet.
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Carroters
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4-of-a-Kind
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Also since you agree all two pairs are checking back, what the hell are you c/c against and expecting to be +EV against? A random double street float with air from a nit on a dangerous board?
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Numbr2intheWorld
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well played, no way you call this though.
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IowaSkinsFan
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Straight Flush
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Well played and now i'd fold.
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