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Numbr2intheWorld
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12-06-2007, 04:24 AM
Post subject: 88 against 4-bet
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Villain is a 28/25 over 40 hands... I feel like his range is really skewed towards AK.
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (6 handed) Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
MP ($331.60)
Hero ($529)
Button ($74)
SB ($331.10)
BB ($400)
UTG ($465.60)
Preflop: Hero is CO with 8 , 8 .
1 fold, MP raises to $14, Hero raises to $44, 3 folds, MP raises to $149, Hero ????
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IowaSkinsFan
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With only that information fold. If he was in pos i'd consider it much more. You don't need to stack off with 88 to make threebetting like a monkey profitable.
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sauce123
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k shove
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I got more flava than fruitstripe gum
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Roel
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hmm... call me tight but why protect 11bb when you are a flip at best?
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Originally Posted by Ragnar4
If he's not calling my shove, I'm done with it.
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bode
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with only 40 hands on villaiin i think this is a clear fold. If you had seen him 4bet and show down AK a few times before then i think you could justify it but it just doesnt really make sense with no reads.
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eeevees are not monies yet...they are like baby monies.
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Ash256
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Reasons for this move = decent pot equity + a tiny bit of fold equity + IMAGE
amirite?
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Roel
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not saying it's the right play, but does anyone consider a stop n go here? the end result is probably the same, but you increase fold equity i think.
Just thinking out loud
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Originally Posted by Ragnar4
If he's not calling my shove, I'm done with it.
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IowaSkinsFan
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Originally Posted by Roel
not saying it's the right play, but does anyone consider a stop n go here? the end result is probably the same, but you increase fold equity i think.
Just thinking out loud
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There is 0 FE no matter what we do so no, i dont think its a good idea. Look at Mp's stack.
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bigslikk
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I've heard that a four bet = aces. True, this is a six-handed game, but you're telling me a four bet = AK? Fold for crissakes.
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griffey24
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Originally Posted by bigslikk
I've heard that a four bet = aces. True, this is a six-handed game, but you're telling me a four bet = AK? Fold for crissakes.
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four bet can deeeeeeeeefinitely = AK or worse sometimes. higher up in stakes.. the more 3-betting.. so the more likely a four-bet is AK.
I think the push/fold really depends on how many times you've 3-bet him so far?
I try to avoid stacking here cause we're at best a flip.. but if you've 3-bet him a lot I'd think about it stronger.
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Originally Posted by Jay-Z
I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
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gabe
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dont 3 bet if u dont know what to do
but i guess 3 betting and calling everytime will eventually lead you to what you should do
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Numbr2intheWorld
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Originally Posted by gabe
dont 3 bet if u dont know what to do
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Well he just surprised me with his bet size...
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Pelion
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Originally Posted by gabe
dont 3 bet if u dont know what to do
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Thats poor logic. If someone will almost every time but will occasionally make a stand with 2 cards (but not often enough) and will also sometimes turn up with aces then 3 betting is still +++++EV and we dont know what to do if he 4 bets.
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gabe: Ive dropped almost 100k in the past 35 days.
bigspenda73: But how much did you win?
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bigspenda73
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players are much more inclined to 4bet AK than aces and it's easier to be dealt AK yo
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Renton
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pretty garbage 3bet. What are you trying to accomplish by 3betting a hand that plays so perfectly vs a player of this type in a coldcall scenario?
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