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Numbr2intheWorld
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07-08-2007, 12:17 AM
Post subject: 88 in 3-bet pot against semi-LAGG
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Villain is a 24/20, 5 AF in about a 300 hand sample. I haven't seen him pull anything out of the ordinary.
My image is loose and aggro. He probably sees me as a pretty light three bettor.
I think his range here is skewed to TT-66, small percentage bluffs, small percentage 44-22, and small percentage QQ-AA or better.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (4 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
Button ($193.80)
SB ($396)
Hero ($400)
UTG ($434)
Preflop: Hero is BB with 8 , 8 .
UTG raises to $16, 2 folds, Hero raises to $56, UTG calls $40.
Flop: ($114) J, 5 , J (2 players)
Hero bets $58, UTG raises to $378, Hero calls $286 (All-In).
Turn: ($836) 2 (2 players, 1 all-in)
River: ($836) 8 (2 players, 1 all-in)
Final Pot: $836
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IowaSkinsFan
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obv this is really close given your correct in what your opponent thinks of you. Idk I probably fold but I'm a nit, I feel weird about threebetting though if I do.
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euphoricism
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Christ, I'd really rather be the one shoving here than the one calling. He's UTG too ;/
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Numbr2intheWorld
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Originally Posted by euphoricism
Christ, I'd really rather be the one shoving here than the one calling. He's UTG too ;/
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yeah but it's 4-handed so it's essentially the CO.
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ah true..
still fold ;/
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you dont think he ever has 5x ?
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Standard.
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seems ok to me, just have to have a strong read.
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Numbr2intheWorld
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Originally Posted by gabe
you dont think he ever has 5x ?
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yeah i didn't really think of A5, 56, 45, and 57 much. That makes it a way easier call.
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i dont get y he would be shoving marginal made hands...
it seems more likely he shoves JJ+ AK AQ or somethin
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I got more flava than fruitstripe gum
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Ash256
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07-08-2007, 03:26 PM
Post subject: Re: 88 in 3-bet pot against semi-LAGG
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Originally Posted by Massimo
Flop: ($114) J , 5 , J (2 players)
Hero bets $58
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Why?
Why not
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Originally Posted by Massimo
Flop: ($114) J , 5 , J (2 players)
Hero bets $88
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IowaSkinsFan
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07-08-2007, 03:55 PM
Post subject: Re: 88 in 3-bet pot against semi-LAGG
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Originally Posted by Ash256
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Originally Posted by Massimo
Flop: ($114) J , 5 , J (2 players)
Hero bets $58
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Why?
Why not
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Originally Posted by Massimo
Flop: ($114) J , 5 , J (2 players)
Hero bets $88
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There are no draws and barely any implied.
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Numbr2intheWorld
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Gabe i'd be really happy if you let me know what you think of this hand.
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max- if someone was to shove 22-99 strength hands against me here i would consider them on tilt
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I got more flava than fruitstripe gum
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gabe
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i call preflop 80% of the time, maybe more
i bet more on flop, at least 75 probably, then u gotta call if your image is "loose and aggro"
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IowaSkinsFan
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Originally Posted by sauce123
max- if someone was to shove 22-99 strength hands against me here i would consider them on tilt
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seconded. If i pulled this move with 22 i'd consider it that i was tilting.
This game is just not aggressive enough to merit many 99-66 shoves.
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Originally Posted by sauce123
max- if someone was to shove 22-99 strength hands against me here i would consider them on tilt
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seconded. If i pulled this move with 22 i'd consider it that i was tilting.
This game is just not aggressive enough to merit many 99-66 shoves. |
i don't think it was to do with the aggressiveness of the games. When two loose and aggressive players are against eachother things get a lot more aggressive.
And Sauce is arguing that players just don't usually shove made marginal hands in position, regardless of aggression.
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gabe
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07-09-2007, 07:35 AM
Post subject: Re: 88 in 3-bet pot against semi-LAGG
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Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan
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Originally Posted by Ash256
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Originally Posted by Massimo
Flop: ($114) J , 5 , J (2 players)
Hero bets $58
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Why?
Why not
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Originally Posted by Massimo
Flop: ($114) J , 5 , J (2 players)
Hero bets $88
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There are no draws and barely any implied. |
missed this post earlier
bet sizing is not all about draws..... lots of other stuff that books dont really write about, probably because its hard to describe
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Numbr2intheWorld
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07-09-2007, 07:38 AM
Post subject: Re: 88 in 3-bet pot against semi-LAGG
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Originally Posted by gabe
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Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan
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Originally Posted by Ash256
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Originally Posted by Massimo
Flop: ($114) J , 5 , J (2 players)
Hero bets $58
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Why?
Why not
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Originally Posted by Massimo
Flop: ($114) J , 5 , J (2 players)
Hero bets $88
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There are no draws and barely any implied. |
missed this post earlier
bet sizing is not all about draws..... lots of other stuff that books dont really write about, probably because its hard to describe |
hmmm i always wondered about that. I was watching this aba vid and i found it hard to guess what his bet size would be, and i didn't understand why he'd make it that certain size. I just don't seem to have a good feel for it.
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IowaSkinsFan
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07-09-2007, 04:44 PM
Post subject: Re: 88 in 3-bet pot against semi-LAGG
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Originally Posted by gabe
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Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan
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Originally Posted by Ash256
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Originally Posted by Massimo
Flop: ($114) J , 5 , J (2 players)
Hero bets $58
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Why?
Why not
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Originally Posted by Massimo
Flop: ($114) J , 5 , J (2 players)
Hero bets $88
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There are no draws and barely any implied. |
missed this post earlier
bet sizing is not all about draws..... lots of other stuff that books dont really write about, probably because its hard to describe |
Yeah, ignorant post on my part, however i do like the bet size here a lot.
kind of looks like a "I have a decent hand but i really want to lay it down".
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