Originally Posted by gabe

35/25 on button
...
18/17 utg

just gradually moves from one to the other

Originally Posted by andy-akb

Button: 41/38

Originally Posted by biondino

One thing - if you call a raise pre-flop, does poker tracker consider that a pre-flop raise?

Originally Posted by Genitruc

Overall : 32.1/22

Originally Posted by Genitruc

Overall : 32.1/22

UTG : 22.2/21.8
HJ : 25.2/23.1
CO : 32.8/27.8
Btn : 36.5/25.6
SB : 44.3/22.9
BB : 24.6/12.1

Originally Posted by Jager

I am wondering Andy what your win rate on the Button is???

Originally Posted by griffey24

Yah I'm wondering the same thing as Jager. You must get the blinds three betting you a ton?

Originally Posted by biondino

Andy, I very much doubt yours are either. 38% PFR on the button? Position can't save you against some of the players who must play back at that many raises... can it?

Originally Posted by biondino

So Andy either raises or re-raises 38% of the time? Man that's mental! It's also why I'm terrified of playing his stakes

(I wonder what the 3% he limps are?)

Originally Posted by andy-akb

Yes, I get 3 bet by the blinds a ton, its just something that you have to adjust for

Originally Posted by zook

Could you elaborate? I've been dabbling in 6-max a little and don't have a great strategy for dealing with this yet.

Originally Posted by zook

Could you elaborate? I've been dabbling in 6-max a little and don't have a great strategy for dealing with this yet.

Originally Posted by Genitruc

I basically just play like a donk then hit a run of cards and get paid off by better players

Originally Posted by swiggidy

^^ hand?

Originally Posted by andy-akb

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
6 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with 9 8
3 folds, Hero raises to $7, SB folds, BB raises to $24, Hero calls.

Flop: 6 A A ($49, 2 players)
BB bets $38, Hero raises all-in $209.7, BB folds.
Uncalled bets: $171.7 returned to Hero.

Results:
Final pot: $125


But seriously, you just have to make some moves in general. Felt some marginal hands, push over raises, float, etc. just try to pick up on some tendencies of your opponent and go from there

Originally Posted by Genitruc

I basically just play like a donk then hit a run of cards and get paid off by better players

Originally Posted by noble007

I am still at microstakes 25$, I am trying to play the same sort of pre-flop game that Andy's stats indicate but the more I read it seems that your sort of stats are more profitable till you hit 100/200$.

Originally Posted by aislephive

This is a really horrible hand.

Originally Posted by Genitruc

So back to making fun of Andy...

What are these "moves" you speak of, sir?

***** Hand History for Game 5501161128 *****
$200 NL Texas Hold'em - Tuesday, December 12, 22:24:06 ET 2006
Table Table 125884 (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: pat_razz ( $216.76 )
Seat 2: virompl ( $184 )
Seat 4: istinkface ( $314.65 )
Seat 5: HERO ( $445.45 )
Seat 6: tusharz ( $170.10 )
Seat 3: Stackmeister ( $200 )
virompl posts small blind [$1].
Stackmeister posts big blind [$2].

** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HERO [ 9s Js ]
istinkface raises [$8]
HERO calls [$8]
tusharz folds.
pat_razz raises [$25]
virompl folds.
Stackmeister folds.
istinkface folds.
HERO calls [$17]

** Dealing Flop ** [ Jh, Kc, 5s ]
HERO checks.
pat_razz bets [$30]
HERO is all-In.
pat_razz folds.
HERO does not show cards.
HERO wins $508.45

Originally Posted by gabe

aisle,
you always make posts criticizing people (or their hands/moves) but from what i understand you aren't that good at poker.

Originally Posted by aislephive

If you want to look at why this hand is bad, put the 3 bettor on a range. If he actually has any legitimate hand preflop he's very likely calling. JJ-KK will look us up here a ton, and obviously any ace. Of a legit 3 betting range big aces and pairs are the majority of their range, even if this guy is 3 betting light he is going to have something here often. The biggest reason why I think this play sucks is because we're risking so much when we could risk way less for the same result. If you make any raise here and he has nothing he is going to fold, so why would you want to risk an extra 50bbs when a smaller raise does the exact same thing. Very very rarely will somebody make a bluff 4 bet all in here. And yes, you're going to be drawing pretty much dead when called here, which will be more often than you think.

Originally Posted by andy-akb

Dont make assumptions like that, especially when it is obvious that the hand wasnt posted to say "HAY GUYS LOOK AT MY AWESOME PLAY THAT YOU SHOULD DO AGAINST A STANDARD OPPONENT ALL TEH TIME," but yea, thats cool.

Originally Posted by aislephive

I'm always making posts criticizing people? I'd really like to be shown proof of that, because I don't. And if I did, I almost always explain why I disagree.

Originally Posted by gabe

i just searched this forum for times you said the word 'horrible' and i got these:

"This is a really horrible hand."

"Betting is horrible."

"Flop minraise is horrible. "

"Wow, what's with that minraise preflop? No offense, but that's horrible. "

"Suggesting that I make a blocking bet and fold to a raise is a horrible play and makes little sense given stack sizes and previous bet sizes. "

"Check calling is terrible."

"Not going broke here without some sick mega read is terrible."

"Pushing is awful"

"Betting here is terrible in terms of risk/reward."

to me, saying horrible/terrible/awful seems too critical. maybe it was deserving in these posts, but i doubt it. i admit that i didn't go though all these and read the context, but i will say that i wouldnt have said anything in the first place if i hadn't been getting that 'vibe' from you. just like in the hand that was posted, he didnt mention any of the factors that made him think pushing was a good play and you tell him he played it horrible.

bottom line is i think you are too obstinate.