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Jager

11-02-2006, 02:21 AM Post subject: 6 max questions

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After moving from FR, here are a few situations that keep coming up.

1. Dealing with your preflop raise getting reraised, what is the typical range that you call with?

2. If you reraise w/ AK preflop and flop an A or K, are you prepared to stack off with this holding given a none threatening flop? Same for AQ w/ an A or Q?

3. If you reraise QQ preflop and get pushed do you call? Do you ever push QQ preflop or is this -ev? Any other hands you typically push with preflop besides AA or KK?

4. I get very annoyed by people who raise or reraise preflop then c/r the flop. I feel that they bet when they miss and c/r when they hit, is this a normal read or am I just annoyed by their play? Also does anyone here do this and why?

5. It seems that everyhand someone is raising the flop, espacially at above 100nl. How often are these position raises, if I see these raises on none threatening flops I think at least '2 pair'? Is this thinking correct? Is there a typical pattern I can pick up on if they are just using their position?

Disclaimer: These are general questions they are not intented to be answered with "it depends". Thanks in advance.

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Chopper

11-02-2006, 02:48 AM

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i am in the same boat as you. switching from fr to sh. so, i will be interested in the responses you get.

i can tell you this. 6max is much more dependant on good reads of a player's tendencies. is he tight? then push him out, until he pushes back. is he aggressive, push back to gain respect. is he passive? why is he hanging around?

all these can be answered in time at the same table. you just HAVE to watch more than fr.

one thing i noticed works for me, though. i will play the first hands i sit in on loose and aggressive, to test the table. then, i tighten up and still get the action i deserve because of the previous aggression. they tend to get the first impression that i am STUUUPID...lol. kind of fun to watch the chat light up when i hit a real hand. they go crazy like its a bad beat, and forgot to notice i have been a rock for the last 5 rounds.

hope this 2 cents helps.

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Jager

11-02-2006, 03:04 AM

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I am actually trying the opposite. I am playing tight to start, only betting when I have something, then showing it. Then I start to cbet everything.

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Happy Jones

11-02-2006, 03:07 AM

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From my experience (50NL-200NL)
1. Like any game depends on the table. Typically i judge my decision mainly on my position and how many times villain has reraised me. Im usually pretty tight against reraises because I usually want to play pots that dont have alot of resistance.
2. AK some might fine this loose but if its a good flop for me Im prepared to get my money in. Theres so many players that will play a A/K lower kicker against me. AQ not as much.
3. Again same thing as 1 dont really like playing with alot of resistance. Without reads I dont.
4. I fine this a huge tell for some players, just as a note 90% of players will c-bet the flop when they reraise preflop and 80% will c-bet when they raise preflop. If they dont I get suspicious and usually just take the free card.
5. Seems like your playing in quite an aggressive game. But a raise on flop certianly doesnt always mean 2 pair+, people will do this with top/any kicker and bluffs as well.

My strategy involved not getting involved in resisted pots without a strong hand and playing hardcore position.

Others might have a different one.

Good luck at 6 max

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11-02-2006, 08:25 AM Post subject: Re: 6 max questions

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1. Dealing with your preflop raise getting reraised, what is the typical range that you call with?

Impossible to answer. It really depends on your opponent, and if you are in or out of position.

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2. If you reraise w/ AK preflop and flop an A or K, are you prepared to stack off with this holding given a none threatening flop? Same for AQ w/ an A or Q?

In general yes for AK, mostly yes for AQ.

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3. If you reraise QQ preflop and get pushed do you call? Do you ever push QQ preflop or is this -ev? Any other hands you typically push with preflop besides AA or KK?

This really depends on both your opponent and how aggressive the games tend to play. At 400nl and up against a solid regular, I'd gladly felt QQ, AK preflop. At lower limits where the game isn't as aggressive, hands like AK/QQ might be folds when faced with serious aggression preflop.

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4. I get very annoyed by people who raise or reraise preflop then c/r the flop. I feel that they bet when they miss and c/r when they hit, is this a normal read or am I just annoyed by their play? Also does anyone here do this and why?

If you think they're raising you light, either cut down on your c-bets or start reraising them back.

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5. It seems that everyhand someone is raising the flop, espacially at above 100nl. How often are these position raises, if I see these raises on none threatening flops I think at least '2 pair'? Is this thinking correct? Is there a typical pattern I can pick up on if they are just using their position?

If you keep giving them credit for at least 2-pair (and folding hands like top pair, even middle pair), then you are bound to get run over. With experience you will be able to pick up these patterns better.

Edit: You will also get floated on a lot in 6m, something that isn't nearly as common in full ring, and you will have to learn to deal with these guys.

IowaSkinsFan

11-02-2006, 02:31 PM Post subject: Re: 6 max questions

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1. Dealing with your preflop raise getting reraised, what is the typical range that you call with?

As others said this is way too dependent, but against a typical regular who is probably 20/15.
1. OOP, stacks are full. typical 3x raise. I would call with QQ-AA, and prob
AK. possibly JJ-22 for set value, but your OOP so that one is tough. If stacks are deep I definetely call JJ-22.
2. In position, stacks are full. Same as above including JJ-22 (this is borderline). If Stacks are deep i don't see a difference.

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2. If you reraise w/ AK preflop and flop an A or K, are you prepared to stack off with this holding given a none threatening flop? Same for AQ w/ an A or Q?

No. If I call with AK and that happens i am much more likely to then AQ, but i'm not gonna put the guy on a bluff after a reraise. If the flop comes KQ3 after I call a reraise im probably folding somewhere along to road from a reraise.

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3. If you reraise QQ preflop and get pushed do you call? Do you ever push QQ preflop or is this -ev? Any other hands you typically push with preflop besides AA or KK?

Depends, loose opp yeah I can push QQ.

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Yes, i get annoyed about it to, if someone checks to you after that preflop i am checking behind as much as i can. Idk about betting when they miss, someone has to clarify that.

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If someone keeps reraising you on the flop in position, you may want to just leave the table if he is normally in position againt you. There are people who do this but I don't think it is typical.

Again, all this advice is unbelievably dependent on reads, hope this helps.

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