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yourfather
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08-11-2008, 04:04 PM
Post subject: 50nl, villains flatting big hands
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Full House
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So I recently moved to 50nl, played ok was up a couple buy ins. Then dropped 4 BIs yesterday, mostly because people were limping/flatting monsters.
Example, sorry no HH.
I am otb with JJ it folds around to me. I raise it 3.5 bbs, sb folds, bb calls.
Flop is pretty dry, like 8 5 3 rainbow. BB checks I bet 4/5 pot, he calls. Turn is a 9, He check raises, I shove over. Maybe didn't play it well but I don't see how I am folding here against unknown.
He has KK.
This happened to me multiple times with villain either limping then 3 betting preflop or limping calling with AA, KK and AK and completely effign my ranges.
This can't be normal can it? Anything I can do here or just unlucky and playing against retards? Tilted me quite bad.
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dalecooper
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This kind of stuff is getting more common and you just have to be wary of it, and remember it happens. If someone does it to you, take a note on them. Otherwise it's just a play like any other - not terribly common, but it should affect how you figure people's hand ranges.
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kmind
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take notes and then switch seats
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bjsaust
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8 5 3 rainbow. BB checks I bet 4/5 pot, he calls. Turn is a 9, He check raises, I shove over.
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Name the hands you're ahead of here.
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Just playing to improve.
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dalecooper
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4-of-a-Kind
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Originally Posted by bjsaust
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8 5 3 rainbow. BB checks I bet 4/5 pot, he calls. Turn is a 9, He check raises, I shove over.
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Name the hands you're ahead of here. |
That's totally read-dependant, isn't it? But generally check/call, check/raise isn't a line that indicates weakness.
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yourfather
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Full House
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by bjsaust
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8 5 3 rainbow. BB checks I bet 4/5 pot, he calls. Turn is a 9, He check raises, I shove over.
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Name the hands you're ahead of here. |
Pretty much only A8, A9, 1010 and draws maybe random 9x, 8x 66,77. I am not sure I had this hand recorded accurately and as I said, I didn't play it great either.
Alot of bad players do jam the hands above on turns even though the 9 did not help them if they previously had a hand like tpgk.
I was more concerned with the overall trend of playing big hands like this and was probably on tilt somewhat as I dropped a few BIs at other tables to the same type of thing.
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bjsaust
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Straight Flush
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A leak I've had to plug is calling with bluff catchers because I HOPE they're bluffing, rather than because I have any real reason to think they're bluffing.
You pushed over because you HOPED he was bluffing here.
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Just playing to improve.
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pankfish
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This is really a decent spot to just call with KK if you are ever going to do it. You are opening a wide range from the button I assume, he already has you isolated.
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