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leftygrove
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05-02-2010, 08:02 PM
Post subject: 50NL: Turn TPTK into a bluff?
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Two Pair
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 27
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Villain is a good regular at 50NL. He plays something like 18/15 over a 500 hand sample. He's somewhat aggressive, probably a reasonable hand reader.
How do you guys feel about bluffing here? Both the flush and straight draw hit, and he has hands that are stronger than mine in his range that will fold to a certain betsize (hands like sets, overpairs, two pair). But probably every once in a while he's check/calling with a ten, or planning to c/r a flush.
What amount are you betting if you do choose to bluff?
Hero (CO): $50.00
BTN: $40.45
SB: $48.05
BB: $36.80
UTG: $63.85
MP: $98.75
Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is CO with J A
UTG raises to $1.50, 1 fold, Hero calls $1.50, 3 folds
Flop: ($3.75) J 8 9 (2 players)
UTG bets $2.50, Hero calls $2.50
Turn: ($8.75) 5 (2 players)
UTG bets $6, Hero calls $6
River: ($20.75) 7 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero should bluff?
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griffey24
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Toronto'ish
Posts: 4,611
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There is no need to bluff with this hand at all.
Either bet here because you're value betting, and you think he will call worse or just check and take the showdown.
Given he's so tight, I'd probably just check.
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Jay-Z
I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
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pocketfours
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Location: Lighting sweet moneys on fire.
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I definitely like a bluff, $18 is fine. A shove is probably good also, at least at higher stakes. At 50nl a shove might be interpreted as a bet that doesn't want a call.
I would usually fold the turn against this opponent.
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jyms
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Tilting Mod
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 4,837
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I know I should fold this turn a ton, but I tend to call to see what he does on the river. Then when he checks I end up betting too small in a spot that no better hands fold for the price and no worse hands are calling anyway. I don't think if your going to bet much on this river, you have to fold the turn. He's not folding 2 pr for 1/2 pot if you have ever raised a draw on the flop in your life.
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griffey24
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Toronto'ish
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pocketfours
I would usually fold preflop against this opponent.
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fyp
AJo is pretty garbage vs such a nitty utg opener.
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Jay-Z
I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
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kmind
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Not Giving In
Posts: 4,240
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Quote:
Originally Posted by griffey24
fyp
AJo is pretty garbage vs such a nitty utg opener.
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Agreed. As played I'd fold turn too though. As played again I'd bluff large. So basically what P4 says post and griff pre.
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Toadstool
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Flush
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 442
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I'd bluff here, he folds better hands soooo often, you;re almost never getting called.
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Dragon Slayer
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Straight
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 228
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At first i thought about bluffing here. OP says villain is a little aggro, so probably capable of firing 2 sts given his perceived range. I think its ok to VB here maybe? But could be a hand looking to C/C? I doubt we are gettin CR here. I guess as played Id take the showdown.
But prob folding Pre/Turn usually.
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Juked07
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3-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 83
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I think bluffing is giving villain way too much credit for 50NL. Check and expect to be good often enough that bluffing doesn't make sense. Also I think I call the turn pretty happily. I think he has a no pair hand like a 3rd of the time.
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gabe
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Join Date: Dec 2004
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"Check and expect to be good often enough that bluffing doesn't make sens"
we aren't good very often though..
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pocketfours
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Quote:
Originally Posted by griffey24
fyp
Quote:
Originally Posted by pocketfours
I would usually 3bet preflop against this opponent.
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fyfyp
One man's garbage is another man's gold.
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lancelott_
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Straight
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 151
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3Bing pre>fcalling, esp from CO, with my standart being a fold pre, unless there is a big fish in the blinds behind. He is tight, and you say he is good, you won`t make much money of this hand flatting pre. Now you are thinking about turning good made hand into a bluff, just beacuse his range is so strong pre and post - whats the reason of calling pre then? you just don`t dominate enouhg Jx (no J9 J8s type of hands in his range). As plays I`d be much more willing to turn something like 87, 9Ts or even JT into a bluff, but not AJ, just because we beat quite a bit of his flop+turn "value" range (KJ QJ JT TT) on the river, and he might not fold QQ+ or 2p/sets on the river at all (or enouhg % time)
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