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Parasurama
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06-09-2009, 09:57 PM
Post subject: 50NL TT 3b pot
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Full House
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Villain is 16/14 steal of 30%, fold to 3b of 20%
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
Hero (SB) ($67.70)
BB ($52.60)
UTG ($50.20)
MP ($157.20)
CO ($78.25)
Button ($52.10)
Preflop: Hero is SB with 10 , 10
2 folds, CO bets $1.75, 1 fold, Hero raises to $6.75, 1 fold, CO calls $5
Flop: ($14) 3, Q, 10 (2 players)
Hero bets $8.75, CO calls $8.75
Turn: ($31.50) 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks
River: ($31.50) 5 (2 players)
Hero bets $16, CO calls $16
Total pot: $63.50 | Rake: $3
I cbet the flop because I didn't expect him to fold much. I decided to only go for two streets of value because I think the range that gives me value if I check turn and bet river but fold to a turn bet is much larger than the range that will call turn and call or fold river. The bet sizing on the river is because I want him to think he has fold equity on a shove and because I think he has more hands like JJ in his range than hands that will call any bet size like AQ. Is that sound? Should I just bet/bet/shove? Oh and I was c/r turn if he bet because his range for betting turn is probably hands he wants to get it in with and air he was floating with.
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I would go $7/$14/shove personally
if you play your sets this way, how do you expect to barrel people off their hands when you're bluffing?
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Parasurama
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I've felt recently that thinking about what I should do against good players has hurt my game against weaker players.
EDIT: didn't mean thinking about what I should do against good players is bad, I meant applying it against weaker players is a leak.
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kmind
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I would have bet/bet/shoved but wtf at balancing at 50NL.
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bigspenda73
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i typically flat here PF, idk if that's standard or not
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kmind
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Even when he folds to a 3bet only 20% of the time?
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Originally Posted by kmind
I would have bet/bet/shoved but wtf at balancing at 50NL.
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I didn't say that was my reasoning for it, I meant it as an aside to think about
I just think that putting AQ/KQ to a tough decision on all three streets is more EV+ than making it easy on 2
today at 100NL I got herocalled all day by all kinds of middle pairs by other regs, so I think regulars do take note of the fact that I make them fold a lot of hands by constantly barreling
this guy's stats are like standard nitreg stats for NL50 other than his high 3b call
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dsaxton
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Ok.
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Parasurama
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In my games people never fold AQ/KQ anyway on this board. If the turn was a scarier card I surely would have bet both for protection and to balance my range.
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Originally Posted by Parasurama
In my games people never fold AQ/KQ anyway on this board. If the turn was a scarier card I surely would have bet both for protection and to balance my range.
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all the more reason to go for all three streets?
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Parasurama
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yeah I just think his range was so wide that this line was better
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Fnord
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I think he's pot controling more often than he's floating in a 3-bet pot at these stakes. So many of his hands are just happy not to confront an all-in.
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Da GOAT
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Wow didn't expect this hh. Flatting pre is prob more std.
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Jman: every time the action is to you, it's an opportunity for you to make the perfect play.
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kmind
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Originally Posted by Da GOAT
Wow didn't expect this hh. Flatting pre is prob more std.
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why?
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Da GOAT
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well his calling range appears to crush us when we 3bet so theres more value in flatting preflop vs this guy and 3betting a highly polarised range with high junk remium ratio
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Jman: every time the action is to you, it's an opportunity for you to make the perfect play.
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kmind
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He folds 20% of the time to 3bets, we are crushing his calling range.
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Originally Posted by kmind
He folds 20% of the time to 3bets, we are crushing his calling range.
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I'm guessing he called 4/5 3bs in however many hands you played with him?
you can't assume he calls 80% as his standard
he might be calling 50% and ran well on 3b calling cards this session
I mean it's not like you have 2989 hands on him and his 3b call is 79.6%
that said, since it's TT it's probably still fine
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by bigspenda73
i typically flat here PF, idk if that's standard or not
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Pretty standard. I pretty much close my eyes and call 2 barrels too.
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kmind
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It was under my impression he had a bunch of hands on him or else he would have stated it.
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Galapogos
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1/2 pot, 1/2 pot, shove river.
Why get so fancy with a set at 50NL? I personally think your line looks way more like a value line than a bluff line anyway.
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Originally Posted by sauce123
I don't get why you insist on stacking off with like jack high all the time.
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Parasurama
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Yeah maybe I was overthinking it. The sample size wasn't huge but it was that he called 8/10 3b's. I kind of wanted to know if it's correct to let our opponent do exactly what he wants to do (call 2 bets and show down in this case) when it's not actually +EV for him to do it.
Another relevant question: is the turn a good or a bad card to barrel if I were bluffing?
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turn is not great to barrel
it's ok if you picked up a draw
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Dueces88
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30% steal percentage isn't crazy high and he is opening from the CO, which is usually the one of three spots people steal from the least. The call 3Bet% would be more accurate if we knew the sample size but even though he doesn't fold much to 3Bets, I think we're cutting it very thin by 3Betting TT here. I agree that flatting is better and puts you in less marginal spots post-flop.
Also, you flopped a set man! You want to get your chips in by showdown and checking the turn is NOT the way to do that. Half/Half/Shove is such a standard line in this situation. If he folds on the turn or river, fine. But with such a strong hand, you want to get proper value.
FWIW, some players will know when you're bluffing in 3Bet pots if you go bet-check-bet with your strong hands.
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bode
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this is def. a standard 3bet here, idk what spenda/goat are talking about. I also go for 3 streets of value and agree the line you took looks stronger.
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