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Old 01-22-2008, 04:16 AM     Post subject: 50NL overpair vs. two shorties #1 (permalink)  
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 I am new to the table but have a read that bigfatpauly is pretty tight. He played a hand with AQ by calling a raise in the blinds, check calling on an AKx board, check turn and bet less than half pot on river and call a big raise

PokerStars Game #14734475018: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2008/01/22 - 00:10:38 (ET)
Table 'Echion IV' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: toddanderson ($51.25 in chips)
Seat 2: aubtgr08 ($43.10 in chips)
Seat 3: charlottedog ($30.20 in chips)
Seat 5: bigfatpauly ($28.40 in chips)
Seat 6: stickyart ($47.50 in chips)
stickyart: posts small blind $0.25
toddanderson: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to toddanderson [Jd Jh]
aubtgr08: calls $0.50
charlottedog: calls $0.50
bigfatpauly: calls $0.50
stickyart: calls $0.25
toddanderson: raises $3.50 to $4
aubtgr08: folds
charlottedog: calls $3.50
bigfatpauly: calls $3.50
stickyart: folds
*** FLOP *** [2d 6c 9c]
aubtgr08 leaves the table
toddanderson: bets $8.50
charlottedog: raises $17.70 to $26.20 and is all-in
bigfatpauly: calls $24.40 and is all-in
toddanderson: calls $17.70
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Old 01-22-2008, 04:42 AM #2 (permalink)  
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 I'd be calling if this were heads up but since it isn't and your read is that big fat Paulie is super tight then this is an auto muck.



 
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Old 01-22-2008, 04:59 AM #3 (permalink)  
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Old 01-22-2008, 05:45 AM #4 (permalink)  
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 wowow i would fist pump snap call this why are we folding?
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 Yeah I'm pretty sure I would fist pump this too. And pauly doesn't sound that good.
 
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 instamuck. What is a "pretty tight" player limp/calling pre and calling AI on the flop with besides a set?
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Old 01-22-2008, 02:17 PM #7 (permalink)  
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It's tough to make a solid read on a player from how he played one hand. I've labelled players as "tight" based on one hand and then later realized they were LAGTARDS after playing with them for a while. There a quite a few players who play TP+ hands very passively and all draws/air very aggressively. As such, I play this hand std until I have a solid read and that means Overpair = Nutz, flush draw on board....so call.
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How do you consider this situation?

1) If 2 players go all in, it's much more likely a set is involved, which destroys your equity. Thus against 2 players all in like this, your pot odds/equity ratio is much lower than calling a heads up all in.

2)They are short stacks and probably donks and you are getting 4:1 if I am doing my math correctly. The all in from the second unknown short stack makes me want to call more, since he's likely to suck.
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Old 01-22-2008, 04:03 PM #9 (permalink)  
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Yeah these spots make me sick, but as you only have to call what 18$ to win 62$ you only need 27% equity. (Which is what you have even if
one of them has 2pr.)

There are 9 combos of sets out there but alot more flush draws, also 78, A9 and maybe worse.
(& you still have 10.7% equity vs set in this spot)

So I call, but its close
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I'd be calling if this were heads up but since it isn't and your read is that big fat Paulie is super tight then this is an auto muck.
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Old 01-22-2008, 09:59 PM #11 (permalink)  
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You'll run into sets alot here but not often enough to make it a fold imo.

Your description of Pauly doesn't actually give you any reads of him other than he's passive & probably not that good + he's shortstack. He could just as easily be a loose passive calling station as a tight player (who'd only call shove with set.)

Had the action gone you c-bet, charlotte calls and pauly shoves I would fold - he's definitely passive from showndown hand.

But from the way the action went, I think it would be a mistake to fold your overpair in a big pot after you've already cbet on a draw heavy flop vs two 50 bb stacks getting nearly 4-1 on your call.
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