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spoonitnow
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11-28-2006, 09:32 PM
Post subject: 50nl KK OOP vs limp/call
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50nl 6max, Hero is BB, No reads or stats
Seat 1: Button ($52.55)
Seat 2: SB ($50.25)
Seat 3: Hero ($62.20)
Seat 4: UTG ($26.20)
Seat 5: MP ($62.20)
Seat 6: CO ($150.75)
Reserved posts the small blind of $0.25
m_mathers_69 posts the big blind of $0.50
Dealt to Hero [K K ]
1 fold, MP calls $0.50, CO calls $0.50, 1 fold, Hero raises to $2.25, 1 fold, CO calls
Flop: [5 4 J ] (Pot: $5.25)
Hero bets $5, CO calls
Turn: [5 4 J ] [6 ] (Pot: $15.25)
Hero bets $11, CO calls
River: [5 4 J 6] [4] (Pot: $37.25)
Hero bets $18, CO raises to $91.25, Hero calls $25.95 and is all in
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
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Fnord
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Raise more pre-flop. You don't want to be in pot-building mode with your range here.
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spoonitnow
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What about the river? Think a check/call is better here?
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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Fnord
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I play this hand so fast that I don't have to worry much about river play.
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elipsesjeff
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Originally Posted by spoonitnow
What about the river? Think a check/call is better here?
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It's usually what I do hoping to get a bricked flush draw to bet. Either way I don't see how you can fold to his push.
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Renton
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raise to 3-3.5 pre, 4/5 the pot on flop, commit on turn.
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spoonitnow
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Originally Posted by Renton
raise to 3-3.5 pre, 4/5 the pot on flop, commit on turn.
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So let's say raise to $3.50 pf, get same caller, flop pot is $7.75. Bet $6, get called. Turn pot is $19.75, and Hero has $52.70 behind. How do we commit on turn?
Edit: Okay that's not really what I meant to ask. I think here we should try to kill his implied odds on draws, and the best draw he has is 9 outs. The current pot + our remaining stack is about $72.50, and we need to give him worse than 4.1:1. If we just bet the pot, we give him a little worse than 3:1. First question, am I right in thinking this is sufficient? Second question, am I totally off base about how I'm trying to handle the hand?
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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star5328
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omg...OMG OBV RAISE MORE PREFLOP...ARE YOU A FISH? JESUS
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spoonitnow
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Originally Posted by star5328
omg...OMG OBV RAISE MORE PREFLOP...ARE YOU A FISH? JESUS
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It's all good, I went on monkey tilt a bit after this hand but chased my losses at 100nl and won, so yah it's all good.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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apunisher
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Originally Posted by spoonitnow
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Originally Posted by Renton
raise to 3-3.5 pre, 4/5 the pot on flop, commit on turn.
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So let's say raise to $3.50 pf, get same caller, flop pot is $7.75. Bet $6, get called. Turn pot is $19.75, and Hero has $52.70 behind. How do we commit on turn?
Edit: Okay that's not really what I meant to ask. I think here we should try to kill his implied odds on draws, and the best draw he has is 9 outs. The current pot + our remaining stack is about $72.50, and we need to give him worse than 4.1:1. If we just bet the pot, we give him a little worse than 3:1. First question, am I right in thinking this is sufficient? Second question, am I totally off base about how I'm trying to handle the hand? |
betting the pot always gives opp 2:1
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spoonitnow
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Originally Posted by apunisher
betting the pot always gives opp 2:1
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I'm talking about implied odds, not immediate pot odds.
Edit: Bleh I'll explain cuz I doubt you got what I meant. If I give him bad implied odds for any draw on the turn, that means I can call down on the river whether he hits or not and it still be +EV (this is assuming he's on a draw). This way you don't have to worry about what to do if, for example, the flush draw completes on the river.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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Renton
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Originally Posted by spoonitnow
How do we commit on turn?
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if he's aggressive, check/shove. If not, just bet 3/4+ the pot and you'll essentially be committed.
If you think he has u beat, then you can take more of a valuetown line like 1/2 pot turn and fold to a shove, then check/call river.
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spoonitnow
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Originally Posted by Renton
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Originally Posted by spoonitnow
How do we commit on turn?
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if he's aggressive, check/shove. If not, just bet 3/4+ the pot and you'll essentially be committed.
If you think he has u beat, then you can take more of a valuetown line like 1/2 pot turn and fold to a shove, then check/call river. |
Gotcha.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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spoonitnow
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Originally Posted by star5328
omg...OMG OBV RAISE MORE PREFLOP...ARE YOU A FISH? JESUS
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btw this is his hand and villian has 23 LOL PWNT
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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