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Micro2Macro
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09-25-2010, 08:41 AM
Post subject: 50nl - im confused beyond belief
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villain who opens is a reg and villain who calls is a 60/15 tard over a small sample. i squeeze to isolate against the fish since hes gonna have so many worse tx and ax in his range and given spr i can just ship like any flop and have it be massively +EV
but then he does this..
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
BB ($50)
UTG ($61.75)
MP ($51.50)
CO ($19.20)
Hero (Button) ($58.50)
SB ($50)
Preflop: Hero is Button with A , 10
UTG bets $1.50, 1 fold, CO calls $1.50, Hero raises to $6, 3 folds, CO raises to $10.50
i just fired 3 barrels at him last orbit and he folded riv so i dunno if hes just sick of me or what but i don't really know what to make of his range here.
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I'd probably give him a range of 66+,A7s+,A9o+, KTo+, QTo+ to represent him getting annoyed/spazzing out with his mid strength hands because you keep "playing back" at him, obviously he has TT+, AQ+ or random air some % but I think you have enough equity to shove at this point even though I wouldn't be thrilled about getting it in.
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Carroters
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I'd just flat and semi bluff shove over a lot of c bets with like overs + gutter and shit. Can't see his range being too strong here, it's just plainh weird. Don't think he evr has like AQ AK JJ TT, this is more the sizing of QQ+ and frustrated "air" imo and I can't give him QQ+ anywhere near enough to not go through with that plan.
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meeloche
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so co is the fish?
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Alexos
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start with a flat, whats the flop?
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Genitruc
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make it 17 to go
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when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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caddie444
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Carroters
I'd just flat and semi bluff shove over a lot of c bets with like overs + gutter and shit.
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Note CO's Stack size
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Genitruc
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wow i got this one all wrong (didn t pay close enough attention to stacksizes and action in OP gg)
snap snap fold
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when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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Micro2Macro
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Genitruc
wow i got this one all wrong (didn t pay close enough attention to stacksizes and action in OP gg)
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Not your fault. I think I did a poor job of presenting the hand (my bad) since I posted it really late at night after grinding and was pretty tired. It's a bit confusing how the action went and stack sizes are pretty easy to overlook/assume 100bb etc.
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Carroters
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Ohhhh I see. Yeah fold.
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fold preflop, then call, then raise
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I got more flava than fruitstripe gum
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Alexos
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guys its 4 fuckin dollars more, we got position and the Ace and the Ten. LOL at folding
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Alex he's got $8.70 behind and the pot is $23.25 if you call. This is a really stupid hand.
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Micro2Macro
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sorry. im just confused on what his range is here thats all.
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Agree its a rly stupid hand, his range could be anything.
P4- I see, so yah call or raise is the same, not like we're ever folding postflop anyway... i just can't possibly fold here preflop unless he's super fishy passive and we have blockers to AA anyway
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Micro2Macro
sorry. im just confused on what his range is here thats all.
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Mostly AK, some pp's
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sauce123
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sauce123
fold preflop, then call, then raise
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i think this is wrong, didnt see the fish in the hand. i think mostly call/sometimes raise. however that can swing to a fold against some of these super nitty/high cbettor SSNL types, where you are playing against like 77+, AQ+ from EP
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I got more flava than fruitstripe gum
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Micro2Macro
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my reason for the preflop squeeze was I could get the reg who opened the pot off lots of hands that have correct equity to continue/are ahead of me (like 77, AJ etc) and the fish is calling like any random Ax and Tx hands so my raise is for value and isolation against this player. I would fold if the reg 4bet. I planned to just jam most flops when called given the SPR is going to be perfect for this (we're talking about jamming flops when the fish calls and we are HU with him in the pot) and he's probably going to call oop with a huge range and play somewhat fit/fold on the flop. I guess the problem with my plan was I didn't account for the times the fish clicks it back on my squeeze and that's what confused the hell out of me.
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"Once we reach a certain level of mastery, we see there are higher levels and challenges. If we are disciplined and patient, we proceed. At each higher level, new pleasures and insights await us--ones not even suspected when we started out. We can take this as far as we want--in any human activity there is always a higher level to which we can aspire."
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"You are a degenerate Gaam-balur"
http://www.philgalfond.com/lets-make-some-changes/
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sauce123
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no, the problem with your plan is you didnt have an idea how often the reg is going to fold. that might be like 10% or it might be like 60%
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I got more flava than fruitstripe gum
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Micro2Macro
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true good point. my preflop line is pretty much spew given I just don't have the right information to make this play.
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"Once we reach a certain level of mastery, we see there are higher levels and challenges. If we are disciplined and patient, we proceed. At each higher level, new pleasures and insights await us--ones not even suspected when we started out. We can take this as far as we want--in any human activity there is always a higher level to which we can aspire."
Check out my blog here!
"You are a degenerate Gaam-balur"
http://www.philgalfond.com/lets-make-some-changes/
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