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jackvance

12-12-2008, 03:51 AM Post subject: 50NL: deep stack poker..

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1. This hand isn't very interesting, but I think my reasoning might be; Atleast I would like to run it by the forum to see if it's solid:

History with villain is that I called a 3bet from him earlier with 56o, called his cbet and a turn bet with a draw and I hit a 5 on the turn, and we ended up splitting the pot where he (quite unexpectedly) also had 56o. This got me thinking about playing with deep stacks vs other deep stacks (something I'm not too familiar with) and I figure implied odds are huge so a lot more hands than usual become playable, and we also want to get some money in the pot in case we hit so I repop him preflop.. who likes it?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (4 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Button ($68.55)
Hero (SB) ($209.95)
BB ($59.90)
UTG ($199.25)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 9

, 10

UTG raises to $2, 1 fold, Hero raises to $7, 1 fold, UTG calls $5

Flop: ($14.50) 7

, 5

, 3

(2 players)
Hero bets $9.50 ....

2. Second hand.. not big stack poker, but this one had me in big doubts.. do you fold turn or river here? Don't be so scared by 2 calls and lead turn maybe? PO stopped working on stars so no stats, but he was kind of a standard player.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

CO ($58.95)
Button ($33.80)
SB ($58)
BB ($35.10)
Hero (UTG) ($176.40)
MP ($21)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J

, A

Hero raises to $2, 1 fold, CO calls $2, 2 folds, BB calls $1.50

Flop: ($6.25) 6

, A

, 7

(3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $4, CO calls $4, BB calls $4

Turn: ($18.25) 8

(3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, CO bets $12, 1 fold, Hero calls $12

River: ($42.25) 3

(2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $16.50, Hero calls $16.50....

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12-12-2008, 05:47 AM

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1. id c/f flop alot even deep but cbetting is fine since he should be calling pre with tons of shit that missed this flop.

2. its pretty close but i think that folding either the turn or the river is better than calling down. also, if im 4xing UTG in 6handed games then my range will not include AJo.

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12-12-2008, 06:09 AM

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1. id c/f flop alot even deep but cbetting is fine since he should be calling pre with tons of shit that missed this flop.

Doesn't it defeat the purpose of the 3bet if I'm going to c/f the flop a lot? I mean I figured he was going to call my reraise in hopes of flopping big to stack me..

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also, if im 4xing UTG in 6handed games then my range will not include AJo.

Hm well my range will include worse than AJo: ATo, Axs, even 56s.. or do you mean you would just raise AJo a different amount like 3bb or 5bb? I only really vary based on limpers.

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12-12-2008, 06:23 AM

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Hand 1: you really don't need to be doing this to beat 50nl. T9o has pretty crappy equity vs his calling range and your out of position so this is going to be a very tough hand to play postflop.

Hand 2: I doubt hes trying to float with 3 people still in the pot so I would probably give up on the turn. As Nuts said I don't raise AJo utg unless the table is very weak. You will be raising hands with less equity vs a calling range like 56s as you said but they play better vs calling ranges. AJo will get you into some trouble with AQ and times where you flop middle pair.

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12-12-2008, 06:28 AM

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1. you will be (profitably) cbetting very often. this flop is one of the worst ones for your actual hand and one of the better ones for villains range.

2. I think that at a reasonably tough table, AJo plays similarly to something like T7o from utg. do not vary your raise sizes preflop from a particular position but if you are going big (4x instead of 3x or 3.5x) you need to include fewer hands and AJo is one i would drop

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12-12-2008, 05:08 PM

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well 4bb is the standard raise in these games, if you raise 3bb everyone will think you're on a semi hand, and you'll get 3bet by a much wider range. But what is the reasoning behind having a tighter range for a 4bb raise? The fact that 3bets will be bigger?

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12-12-2008, 05:37 PM

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well 4bb is the standard raise in these games, if you raise 3bb everyone will think you're on a semi hand, and you'll get 3bet by a much wider range.

I couldnt possibly think of a better reason to use 3bb as my standard size...

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12-13-2008, 11:46 AM

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well 4bb is the standard raise in these games, if you raise 3bb everyone will think you're on a semi hand, and you'll get 3bet by a much wider range.

I couldnt possibly think of a better reason to use 3bb as my standard size...

I don't really like the idea of getting 3bet a lot since I raise 20%+ of my hands but hm maybe I'll try out 3bb and see how it goes.

Anyway hand 1 he turbo-mucked, whatever that means, hand 2 he had A8 and I should have just folded to the obvious valuetown on the river atleast.

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