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Old 11-10-2009, 10:26 PM     Post subject: 50NL: AK Vs early nit open at nitty nit table. #1 (permalink)  
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Villain in this hand is a 14/12 nit with a 20% ATS. Button and SB are both nits with less than 12 VPIP so I dont expect overcalls. SB is kinda tight but shovey which I dont mind at all, especially with relative position when he does. Ive been playing pretty tight but with a tonne of stealing from the CO and button (like 22/20) and some double barrelling at decent turns/ raising some cbets on decent flops with air/floating decent flops and generally trying to steal anything I think I can get away with.

I feel like a 3bet is going to fold all villains AQ/AJ type hands, and Im really not going to love being 4bet. I elect to call with position to keep his range wide and hopefully win the most and lose the least.

So Question 1: Is this fine?
Question 2: When the flop is K high rather than A high, im aiming for value from KQ and midpairs, and I dont think ill get a tonne from KQ anyway if I go for potsize bets. I dont think he has many flush draws in his range and if it comes and he bets/raises he is never bluffing. When he checks the turn with a flush draw out I think hes usually itching to fold. I chose to size so that I can hopefully get calls from underpairs as well as KQ if he has it. The river obviously makes this even more important since I split with any K. Good?

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UTG ($52.70)
MP ($56)
Hero (CO) ($56.75)
Button ($71.95)
SB ($23.20)
BB ($6.45)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A, K
UTG bets $2, 1 fold, Hero calls $2, 3 folds

Flop: ($4.75) 7, K, 2 (2 players)
UTG bets $3, Hero calls $3

Turn: ($10.75) 2 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $6, UTG calls $6

River: ($22.75) K (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $9, UTG calls $9

Total pot: $40.75 | Rake: $1.95

One final question for other people playing in these games on stars at the moment. Are they always so nitty? The average vpip seems to go down by about 10% from 25NL to 50NL.
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Old 11-11-2009, 05:05 AM #2 (permalink)  
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...This is obviously fine ....

Game select better and you'll play in fewer nitty games.
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 I think I'd bet bigger on the river seeing as theres 2 pair on the board and both FD's missed. Something like 13$
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 I'd bet biggar on both last two streets. like $18 on rivar as played? I mean he's either gotta worse kang or some pocket less than queen who can put you on a missed draw so giddiup imo.
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Old 11-11-2009, 11:35 AM #5 (permalink)  
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...This is obviously fine ....
I posted it prepared to argue my case. I expected quite a few "wtf 3bet AK is standard" replies. Looks like i misjudged .

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Game select better and you'll play in fewer nitty games.
Im rebuilding the last couple of months after cashing out all but $20 in february and taking a break. I just moved up to 50NL a couple of days ago so it might be an anomoly, but at the times of day I play (UK evening) all the tables seem to be full of 12/8s whereas the 25NL tables still have at least a couple of 50/5s per table. The nits arent good, just really really tight. Blind stealing, double barreling and bet flop, check behind turn, bet river seems to be pretty profitable so I dont really mind. Ive actually been meaning to get some practise at good bluffing spots and these seem like pretty good games to try it.
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Old 11-11-2009, 11:38 AM #6 (permalink)  
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Do you guys think a nit would call $18 on the river with TT? I would think hed drop it reeeeaaaally fast.
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Old 11-11-2009, 12:47 PM #7 (permalink)  
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Stars 50NL games have become a lot tighter last months. Table average VPIP of 25-30 is about the max you get nowadays in the evening (europe time).

(that is if you're multitabling, otherwise finding 1 or 2 looser tables is possible)
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Old 11-11-2009, 03:20 PM #8 (permalink)  
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I def bet turn alot bigger when i float. small bet on river is fine.
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Old 11-11-2009, 03:45 PM #9 (permalink)  
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 I'd bet 7-7.50 on turn, and definitely bet bigger on the river.

His entire range that is calling is hero calling, the second K makes him more likely to not believe, and diamonds missed! $17ish on river.
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