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d0zer
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11-25-2008, 10:07 PM
Post subject: 50NL: AJ TPTK
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We didn't have tons of history here, but I had been very aggressive preflop & he had been calling a lot of them, and had 3-bet a couple times before this (where I'd folded). I have been c-betting most flops with success. He struck me as loose preflop (70/20ish) & somewhat straightforward postflop given how my c-bets were working on flops he wasn't likely to hit. He seemed to be c-betting more often than he was hitting, but it was a small sample so he could just be running hot.
$0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem
2 players
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Stacks:
BTN jzkillz ($29.95)
BB Hero ($51.35)
Pre-flop: ($0.75, 2 players) Hero is BB  
jzkillz calls $0.25, Hero raises to $2, jzkillz raises to $4.50, Hero calls $2.50
Flop:    ($9, 2 players)
Hero checks, jzkillz bets $3, $3 to Hero ($46.85)?
I think I made a mess of this hand, what's the plan here?
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technician
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id be doubting he had 2 pair but possibly put him on any pp, maybe AJ KJ or A10. id probably call hope to see a diamond on the turn. chances are it will be lower than a jack.
i prob wouldnt want to shove this.
my 2c. will be interested to hear what some more experienced players think.
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bikes
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Raise to like $10 somewhere around there. If he has QQ+ pay the man his money but I think he'll stack off with overs and a gutter and his stack size says I'm never folding TPTK in a 3b pot. If you dont wanna stack off when hit TPTK with AJ fold pre against this guy and his stack size.
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"the world def needs more bikeses"
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a500lbgorilla
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JESUS TAKE THE KEYBOARD
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i flat/lead turn opinions?
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Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.
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kmind
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I flat but do we get much value betting most turns? If it's like an A I will lead/call but should we be betting a blank turn?
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griffey24
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If he's gonna bet such a lame amount on a board we'd expect a lot of straight draws, then I'm just gonna pop him up to $10 or so here and play it for stacks.
If we're calling pre, then we gotta be happy with this flop. he's playing short too, so lets just get it in.
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d0zer
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three flats & two raises, eh? I chose the latter. Turn now.
Flop: ($9, 2 players)
Hero checks, jzkillz bets $3, Hero raises to $10, jzkillz calls $7
Turn:  ($29, 2 players)
Hero ($36.85)?
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bikes
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AI. He's got what 15 behind?
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"the world def needs more bikeses"
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ATOTHEC101
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id raise flop to 10 with the intention of playing for stacks. On turn just stick it in.
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"This sure beats Super Mario Bros.!" is my ejaculation catch phrase.
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I donk the flop and hope he doesn't give it any credit and reraises at which point I get it in
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d0zer
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by iopq
I donk the flop and hope he doesn't give it any credit and reraises at which point I get it in
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I was really considering doing that, except that it woulda been my first donk lead & I had already c/r'd before so...stay the course and such.
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Originally Posted by Bbickes
AI. He's got what 15 behind?
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That's exactly what I did, he folded, then I second guessed myself thinking 'hey, maybe he woulda shoved his gutshot on the turn if I woulda checked to him...'
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the first time you donk lead it generally gets shit for respect
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meeloche
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by iopq
the first time you donk lead it generally gets shit for respect
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which is why donking here with near the top of our range wouldn't be a good idea.
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by meeloche
Quote:
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Originally Posted by iopq
the first time you donk lead it generally gets shit for respect
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which is why donking here with near the top of our range wouldn't be a good idea. |
if it gets shit for respect he'll shove over us
if he gives us respect he'll fold
are you unfamiliar with the "shit for ____" expression?
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meeloche
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Oh I read it as a lot of respect. my bad
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bigspenda73
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I c/c the whole way, vbet the river if the turn goes check/check
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nutsinho
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nothing to say about his retarded 3bet sizing? has he done this before? if this isnt his standard im with spenda, if it is his standard, just get the money in somehow.
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d0zer
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nothing to say about his retarded 3bet sizing? has he done this before? if this isnt his standard im with spenda, if it is his standard, just get the money in somehow.
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Yes he had consistently retarded 3-bet sizing.
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