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Da GOAT
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08-05-2008, 08:05 AM
Post subject: 50nl AA vs donk
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Straight Flush
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Opp is a donkish 38/10 roughly. doesnt get aggro much in the short session with him. Can we get away from this??
$0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com
Stacks:
UTG drussefar ($55.42)
UTG+1 198819881988 ($51.52)
CO Hero ($49.25)
BTN Berserkeer ($37.72)
SB VIP81 ($51.48)
BB dubber ($60.37)
Pre-flop: ($0.75, 6 players) Hero is CO  
2 folds, Hero raises to $1.50, 2 folds, dubber calls $1
Flop:    ($3.25, 2 players)
dubber checks, Hero bets $2.75, dubber raises to $5.50, Hero raises to $16.75, dubber calls $11.25
Turn:  ($36.75, 2 players)
dubber bets $18.37, Hero ????????
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Jman: every time the action is to you, it's an opportunity for you to make the perfect play.
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mixchange
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just ask yourself if you fold ace 10 here, your hand is worth a bit more but not a lot
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bode
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mixchange hit it. your hand is pretty worthless at this point and villain is obv trying to get value here. i mean, hes not leading 1/2 pot OOP as a bluff after calling the flop 3bet.
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EzDuzIt
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Originally Posted by bode
mixchange hit it. your hand is pretty worthless at this point and villain is obv trying to get value here. i mean, hes not leading 1/2 pot OOP as a bluff after calling the flop 3bet.
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well obv hes not bluffing. he probably plays lots of tens like this and jj/qq kind of stuff.
once you 3bet the flop you should be happily getting it in here.
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Muzzard
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ya, if you 3b flop get it in imo
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Da GOAT
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cool, also btw theres a 1/2 pot button on this site.
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Jman: every time the action is to you, it's an opportunity for you to make the perfect play.
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parislad
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don't fold aces here imo. The fact he didn't push the flop suggests no set/2p but more likely tp. Maybe he's playing funnily, but on the turn since you say this guys a donk, he might just be have that oop 'limbo' feeling and be pressing the 1/2 pot button with his tp because he's confused,doesn't know what to do and scared of you after the 3-bet.
then again my gut sense tells me he has you beat 
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Robb
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Originally Posted by parislad
don't fold aces here imo. The fact he didn't push the flop suggests no set/2p but more likely tp. Maybe he's playing funnily, but on the turn since you say this guys a donk, he might just be have that oop 'limbo' feeling and be pressing the 1/2 pot button with his tp because he's confused,doesn't know what to do and scared of you after the 3-bet.
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Parislad, if your gut sense is that your beat, you've gotta fold. The only real outs for Hero are more aces - only two left. BTW, very few villains in my experience check-shove sets/2p on the flop. They're donks, and more likely to check-min-raise with strength (especially sets).
Anyway, Goat, mixchange and bode have it nailed. I think we gotta fold.
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Da GOAT
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meh im not folding here ever actually lol.
tbh i 4got how flop played out. if im raising up flop like i did and turns a blank then getting it in now is fine.
btw i dont expect him to have a str8 at all really.
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Jman: every time the action is to you, it's an opportunity for you to make the perfect play.
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parislad
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i take it we're putting him on a set here then? surely not 89 the way that flop played out....unless he's got a shit concept of pot odds
and i can't see a 2p personally
but it gives you that 'im fucked here' feeling tho doesn't it???
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Robb
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Originally Posted by parislad
it gives you that 'im fucked here' feeling tho doesn't it???
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wufwugy
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fold? is this some kind of amazing level? after you 3bet that flop no way in hell. if you dont 3bet flop then you have a decision, but i still dont fold since i have a huge hand.
villain has a wide range and is a newb. aces is 98% of the time nuts vs those players.
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Robb
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Originally Posted by wufwugy
fold? is this some kind of amazing level? after you 3bet that flop no way in hell. if you dont 3bet flop then you have a decision, but i still dont fold since i have a huge hand.
villain has a wide range and is a newb. aces is 98% of the time nuts vs those players.
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The check-min-raise is a very noob way of saying "I'm really strong." I'm ditching this hand on the flop. I think we have a 2 outer. And if we wanted to get it all in, Goat, why not overshove the min-raise on the flop?
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Da GOAT
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min-c/r aint a storng play unless you have history with him and seen that b4.
overshove is way bad since i want Tx in.
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Jman: every time the action is to you, it's an opportunity for you to make the perfect play.
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dalecooper
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Outcome requested, thx
I doubt I'm folding it at any point, by the way. If he has me beat, I take a note and watch my step around him in the future.
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bigspenda73
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If you folded the title should be 50nl donk vs donk
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Da GOAT
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he had T6
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Jman: every time the action is to you, it's an opportunity for you to make the perfect play.
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noble007
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Puke....
Everyday I promise I will not call anybody a donk in chat or start swearing at them because they're hugely +ev but then these hands happen & I...
You stupid f ucken fool. &*^*&%^"*&!^ donkey. T6 wtf!
Now where the hell am I supposed to find the money to pay your mom for last night!
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Currently thinking of a new quote/signature... Some sort of prayer to the Poker gods for enlightment etc..
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Da GOAT
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meh i had to hold back abuse in chat last night when another lesser donk typed his nut hand in chat and took time before calling my shove.
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Jman: every time the action is to you, it's an opportunity for you to make the perfect play.
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wufwugy
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Originally Posted by Robb
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Originally Posted by wufwugy
fold? is this some kind of amazing level? after you 3bet that flop no way in hell. if you dont 3bet flop then you have a decision, but i still dont fold since i have a huge hand.
villain has a wide range and is a newb. aces is 98% of the time nuts vs those players.
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The check-min-raise is a very noob way of saying "I'm really strong." I'm ditching this hand on the flop. I think we have a 2 outer. And if we wanted to get it all in, Goat, why not overshove the min-raise on the flop? |
it was until people began realizing they can get people to fold with it.
poor players evolve too.
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Fnord
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Quit being a baby about being stacked by a funny hand.
I felt this every time and am usually happy with the result.
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mixchange
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Originally Posted by Fnord
Quit being a baby about being stacked by a funny hand.
I felt this every time and am usually happy with the result.
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Since you steal so many pots Fnord, you have to get it in in these spots. I don't know if Goat necessarily has your image.
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d0zer
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Originally Posted by mixchange
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Originally Posted by Fnord
Quit being a baby about being stacked by a funny hand.
I felt this every time and am usually happy with the result.
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Since you steal so many pots Fnord, you have to get it in in these spots. I don't know if Goat necessarily has your image. |
Is image really that important here given:
1) It's 50NL
2) villain is a donk
3) There is little history between the two players.
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by d0zer
Is image really that important here
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Yes and no.
I probably get more action because I'm playing a wide range of hands against a guy like this. Often that works well, sometimes it goes bad. Either way, I get noticed.
That said, small stakes regs don't gamble with them enough. My favorite stripper appreciates this. That's like a 10x bigger leak that this spot could ever be. However, that's a tough one for your lizard brain to accept.
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