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nogenius
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11-27-2006, 06:01 PM
Post subject: 50NL 6m AQs makes nut flush draw
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Full House
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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
BB ($154.10)
UTG ($36.15)
Hero ($51.60)
CO ($12.50)
Button ($88.30)
SB ($79.05)
Preflop: Hero is MP with Q , A.
UTG calls $0.50, Hero raises to $2.25, 1 fold, Button calls $2.25, 2 folds, UTG calls $1.75.
Flop: ($7.50) T, 3 , 6 (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $5.5, Button raises to $11, UTG folds, Hero ???
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Button is 22/7/1 over only about 20 hands, no strong reads otherwise.
What's your reaction to the minraise?
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Silly String
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Call and hope to hit your flush. Fold turn to significant bet. Sucks, but that is the line.
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gabe
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i push but fnord always tells me thats bad in these games
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Reidak
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Id be pushing here, the amount of times your opponent will fold their hand will offset the times when they call and dodge your flush draw, not to mention the fact he might be on TPGK and your A or Q might be good just as fallback outs
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nutsinho
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Originally Posted by gabe
i push but fnord always tells me thats bad in these games
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yep, pushing here is very questionable i believe. there might be slightly more FE if you raise to like 36 or something, but the weakass line suggested by SS, as painful as it would be for me to use, is probably the best
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IowaSkinsFan
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sometimes the best line sucks.
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griffey24
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11-27-2006, 08:01 PM
Post subject: and on the turn..
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Straight Flush
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Do we put villain on a set here?
I agree with the "call the flop, and fold turn unimproved" line.. but
what happens if hero hits a Q or A on the turn? Do we lead with a push, check raise?
Do we believe top pair on the turn is good?
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Silly String
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I put him on an overpair, set, or worse flush draw. He is also possibly on air or an underpair to the T that doesn't trust my c-bet. I don't think TP raises here. If I hit the A or Q, I play for a cheap showdown. Any hand I beat will prefer to show down cheap, except a bluff. Any hand that plays fast, I can't beat without a flush.
I know it is weak, but I can't find a better line without hitting more of the flop or having a better read.
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by Jishu
Id be pushing here, the amount of times your opponent will fold their hand
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The problem is that between players with tight raising standards and others with tight calling standards I don't think pushing has value against an unknown in this game.
Even that being said, I think re-raising to $20 and shoving the turn is a better play if we're going to just go ape-shit aggro.
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gabe
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Originally Posted by Fnord
Even that being said, I think re-raising to $20 and shoving the turn is a better play if we're going to just go ape-shit aggro.
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pushing flop has alot more folding equity though
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benny999
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I think timing is kinda important. I'd more likely reraise an insta min raise and call if they thought first. But reraising is also more fun, and might get you a better image.
But it looks like he kinda sucks and you can't really go wrong by just calling, he might give you odds again on the turn...and he might be calling a 3bet with any hands he raises like fnord wrote.
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by gabe
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Originally Posted by Fnord
Even that being said, I think re-raising to $20 and shoving the turn is a better play if we're going to just go ape-shit aggro.
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pushing flop has alot more folding equity though |
Pushing the flop looks like a draw the way people play in these games.
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