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shakesss
Old 04-04-2010, 04:57 PM     Post subject: 50nl-3b pot vs aggro reg #1 (permalink)  
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Villain is 28/24/4.1. 12.8% 3b, 20% from the button. 231 hands.

We had a pretty aggro dynamic going. I had 4 bet twice before and folded twice or thrice to his 3b's. I had planned on calling his 3b preflop when i raised. On the flop i thought i could rep jj-1010 pretty well, and it would be very hard for villain to call with the shortstack behind. I sized it such that i culd shove turn against villain and call it off if he raised.

Does this look ok?

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Button ($50)
SB ($33.50)
BB ($50)
UTG ($11.25)
Hero (MP) ($55.90)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 7, 6
1 fold, Hero bets $1.75, Button raises $6, SB calls $5.75, 1 fold, Hero calls $4.25

Flop: ($18.50) 5, J, 10 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $12.50, Button raises $44 (All-In), 1 fold, Hero calls $31.50
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Old 04-04-2010, 05:30 PM #2 (permalink)  
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 I fold preflop, I don't think you get enough FE postflop after the SS calls he has like 99-QQ etc too much and isn't folding postflop. His stack is too small to give you decent implied odds and it'll be hard to play draws profitably, and we'll just be c/f so many flops given the SS has flatted. We can't really continue with our original plan to play a pot vs the light 3 bettor and his weak range when the SS comes along. I'd only flat preflop if we were a good bit deeper.

Not sure I like your line postflop, it's better than c/r though. C/R isn't good because when BU bets this flop, it really isn't often to foled to a raise imo. I might go ahead and just c/c though getting good implied odds since when it goes bet-call action to you or bet-fold action to you, we're usually against a pretty strong hand that's stacking off. If we see a free card that's good too since we only need 2 streets to get the money in when we make a flush. I think this flop smacks sbs range too hard for me to wanna bet/get it in as a 40% dog or worse. I'd rather c/c or take my free card to bust sb's TT JJ QQ etc since I don't count on having a whole lot of FE here.

 
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Old 04-04-2010, 05:56 PM #3 (permalink)  
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SB stats were 61/15/1.4 after 95 hands. He was flatting everything preflop and was quite happy to have him come along. Sorry i forgot to mention that.

Also think c/c would be pretty bad in this spot oop. I mean ill be giving up on 70-80 percent of turns and my hand has no showdown value and no FE. It would be a bit of a reverse implied odds situation as well as the villain is a decent reg who wont stack off so light on a flush card.
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Old 04-04-2010, 09:23 PM #4 (permalink)  
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 bet/calling here is just really awful.
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Old 04-04-2010, 09:33 PM #5 (permalink)  
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bet/calling here is just really awful.
Yeah, i know calling off with this hand really sucks but i thought id get credit if i got called and shoved turn. He is a decent player and might fold a good pair on the turn.

Do you think i should have gone for a c/r instead?
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Old 04-05-2010, 09:18 AM #6 (permalink)  
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2 things you really have to think of:
1- Get the last bet in with a draw
2- Relative position
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Old 04-05-2010, 06:05 PM #7 (permalink)  
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 fold pre, as played c/f flop
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Old 04-05-2010, 07:30 PM #8 (permalink)  
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Thanks for the insight guys. Gave me a lot to think about.
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Old 04-06-2010, 07:07 AM #9 (permalink)  
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fold pre, as played c/f flop
Once called pre I think hero should check the flop and reevaluate the action.
If PFR cbets and SB calls hero can call imo.
If PFR cbets and SB folds, hero should consider c/c or c/f based on sizing.

Lead/calling as hero did is the worst option on the flop imo. I think c/shove is way better, but I'm not sure that's even +EV.

In the end, you basically have a flop you hoped for, and still all option are bad, so you really have to reconsider your preflop call.
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Old 04-06-2010, 07:53 AM #10 (permalink)  
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Is c/c really better than b/c in this spot?

The reason i bet the flop was that it was good for my perceived range and i was up against a weak/wide range even though he 3b(20% 3b button). The SB is a fish and i wouldn't mind getting it in with him because of my hands equity.

When i bet i really didn't want to call off a shove but knew id have to if he did. The main reason behind my bet was to get folds on the flop, or if i get called to shove the turn.

Another reason i bet was that even if villain had a mediocre made hand like a pair or something, he would be put in a tough spot and might fold them quite often because the SB is still left to act.

Its definitely a lil bit of FPS but we had an aggro dynamic.

c/c puts me in a weird spot where i have to fold on a lot of turns and might not get paid when i hit my hand.

I hope this doesn't sound too defensive. I am just very eager to learn.
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Old 04-06-2010, 08:17 AM #11 (permalink)  
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You're overvaluing your hand strength here shakess. I wouldn't feel good about getting it in against anyone on a board like this, including the fish.

Villains cbetting range is strong on this board. His raising range probably even stronger. So you're getting it in against a very strong range, quite surely as strong that your bare weak FD doesn't have enough equity.

C/c definately puts you in a weird turn spot and with the pot already bloated you likely don't have the odds to c/c. MAYBE if the fish called a cbet as well you have the odds.

Also villain is gonna check behind his air hands on the flop a lot, so you should be able to pick of some pots of his air hands.
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Old 04-06-2010, 01:01 PM #12 (permalink)  
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 definitely fold pre and this:

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Once called pre I think hero should check the flop and reevaluate the action.
If PFR cbets and SB calls hero can call imo.
If PFR cbets and SB folds, hero should consider c/c or c/f based on sizing.
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Old 04-07-2010, 02:29 AM #13 (permalink)  
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I think you were maybe a little frustrated with this player and looking for an opportunity to play back? Wait for a better one imo. Or just leave the table if someone is giving you that much trouble. Sucks to have an agro behind you sometimes.
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