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10-13-2009, 08:34 PM
Post subject: 50k Hands Stats Checkup at 50NL
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Ok so I am playing poorly lately and just not winning. I am hoping someone can give at least a couple of suggestions. These are all hands at 50NL or 50PL. I have always been a winner until now, not sure what I keep changing.
3bet% is way low but I have been doing a better job and am about 6.5% this month. I also feel like cbetting% should be up more at these stakes because some limpers just limp/call/fold flop a lot and some regs are just really nitty and am at like 65% so far this month.
I feel like I should be isolating more considering I make a ton of money here.
I'm probably way off with a lot of this this stuff but any if anyone can help I'd be very appreciative. If you all have any questions I'll gladly answer but I won't be online too much starting tomorrow night. Thank you all in advance.
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How do I at least get rid of the fish part?
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Spenda's right, your stats are the same as every other mediocre player at Stars and FT. Do you really think the 75% or the player base are winning players? Do you enjoy playing with the exact same stats as everyone else at the table? How does that make money?
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your problems are probably mostly postflop.. be more aggro and own these fuckers.
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Your tight, your ranges are stronger than theirs, you prolly pot control way too much postflop (low AF), when you should capitalize on your image in certain spots and get thin value from their weaker ranges in other spots
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It's hard for me to comment, cause I can't imagine playing 18.9/15/2.27.
Your range will often be way stronger than theirs. If you're not getting paid on big hands, then you should at least use your image to get folds in other spots. If your range is so strong then I can't see how your AF is so low either.
If you were looking to open up, I'd say play more hands on the button.
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I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
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well said spenda.
beyond the fact that you are fairly nitty for a 6max reg, you dont 3bet enough, dont squeeze enough, are vpip'ing too much from the SB, not loose enough from LP, folding to too many 3bets and in general just too passive for todays 6max games.
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See that's what I don't get, he's pretty tight (as is Jyms) and yet I think I've seen both of their W$WSF were well below 40%. I don't get how your range can be that strong yet you're not winning nearly as many pots postflop as LAGGs with weaker ranges.
I'd add like 10% to your button VPIP and I think that's only a small start to loosening you up.
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Definitely good stuff so far, thanks. I honestly don't care if you guys are meaner or anything just tell me how it is. I definitely play nitty postflop. I rarely bluff at all besides 3betting preflop/4betting preflop/cr the flop vs. loose ranges (usually I'm on the BU vs. CO). It's engraved in me that we shouldn't bluff more or use the whole "my range is tighter than his" thing if our opponents suck at hand reading.
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My WWSF% is about 42.5% over the last 3 months. And I play 23/18 until shit hits the fan.
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Originally Posted by kmind
Definitely good stuff so far, thanks. I honestly don't care if you guys are meaner or anything just tell me how it is. I definitely play nitty postflop. I rarely bluff at all besides 3betting preflop/4betting preflop/cr the flop vs. loose ranges (usually I'm on the BU vs. CO). It's engraved in me that we shouldn't bluff more or use the whole "my range is tighter than his" thing if our opponents suck at hand reading.
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Have you ever written the note on someone.. that says "always seems to have it" or something along those lines. From that point on, you just stop paying them off, cause you know they have it.
Well, if you've been playing with the same regs for a while, its def possible that they now have that note on you. You always have it if you barrel. There goes the action.
It's not the end of the world to get caught in a bluff once in a while. At least it gets it in their head that you're capable of triple barrel bluffing.
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Originally Posted by Jay-Z
I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
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Originally Posted by jyms
My WWSF% is about 42.5% over the last 3 months. And I play 23/18 until shit hits the fan.
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What's your 4bet %?
Your won at SD is also really high. You could be making a lot of bad river folds in certain spots.
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Originally Posted by Jay-Z
I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
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Your W$SD% is too high.
Therefore you are not VB the best hand often enough.
(@ Griffey I don't think he is making alot of bad river folds because his WTSD% is pretty high.)
Your W$WSF is way too low.
Therefore you are not CB enough. (Especially when you raise UTG-CO you should DBL barrel alot because your range is very strong.)
Your FBB to steal is too high & your 3B% in BB is too low.
Someone can steal your big blind with ATC & show a profit. With so many ratholing SS like me around this is a big problem. You need to defend more & you should 3B a much wider range esp. vs. SS for value.
Take stabs alot in limped pots & whenever people show weakness.
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You need to steal a ton more. You also need to 3bet your BU vs CO raises more often. As an 18/15 type player, don't be afraid to 3bet more often and fold to 4bets. I mean any two cards during the honeymoon stage.
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Had to LOL at your first post in this thread Spenda. Although a lot of my stats look similar to his. But I am working on it and this will change. Trying to break the mold of standard TAG 
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1)Your sb 3-bet should be like double your bb 3-bet, not the other way around like it is.
2)You aren't c-betting enough.
3)You need to play your button and cutoff far more than you are.
4)Your blind defense needs a ton of work.
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How loose do you think we should be playing pre? I've opened up (but I have the reverse of kmind's issues, with trying to be too agro with a new, weaker range). I'm about 21/16 lately with about same EP/MP VPiP/PFR as kmind.
I have gotten a lot out of the discussion. I really appreciate kmind posting this and all the regs for pitching in with suggestions. I have different leaks, but it's good to hear folks sharing their thoughts.
My horrible play is definitely postflop. I plan to bet/fold, then forget about that 2nd part. I'm paying off way too often with obv TP hands, and I think the regs all have a note on me that says "will value town himself."
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Originally Posted by Renton
1)Your sb 3-bet should be like double your bb 3-bet, not the other way around like it is.
2)You aren't c-betting enough.
3)You need to play your button and cutoff far more than you are.
4)Your blind defense needs a ton of work.
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1. Are you sure? I've heard that 3betting BB >>>> SB. I'm sure you know from whom.
4. Any suggestions besides me switching my 3betting?
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Your W$WSF is way too low.
Therefore you are not CB enough. (Especially when you raise UTG-CO you should DBL barrel alot because your range is very strong.)
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This is definitely a leak which all you guys are saying but for some reason I feel as if when I am UTG I either get called by a reg. or fish and when I cbet and get called they usually have something they aren't folding.
Spenda - I mean just because we are playing tighter ranges does it mean I can use that as an advantage vs. regs that aren't the best at thinking about ranges?
jyms - any advice on exactly how to open up? I guess just 3betting more and stealing more. Anything else? Raising the crap out of limpers, etc?
I feel like my postflop game is really really bad
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why would you ever 3bet more from the BB than the SB?
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Move down to $25NL and just play a shitload of hands and go mental IP. Don't play too many streets with air and fold to aggression. Have some fun with it. Try to get to 50% or more OTB. C bet every flop. Barrel the shit our of them and put them to a ton of stack decisions early. Stay tight UTG and MP because they won't know the difference and will fight back at the wrong times. They aren't playing back without a hand when they fold 15 times in a row, they finally got one. Use this to find spots you will be comfortable with higher up in stakes.
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First @kmind You can probably 3 bet more but especially squeeze more. Look for spots where reg opens fish calls. You should squeeze there with almost any 2 cause regs gonna fold fish is either gonna fold or call and c/f every flop which will make a significant difference to your red line.
@ppl who want to 3 bet more in the sb than bb. I disagree completely with this. There is going to come a time where if you're 3 betting a lot in the sb your gonna get cold 4 bet a bunch from the bb. Thats the smallest issue though. You should be 3 betting more in the bb cause you can be in position in a lot of spots and 3 betting in position is sweet. I'm not saying never 3 bet in the sb but I would prefer 3 betting the most on the bu then the bb then co and sb.
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You also have more money already in the pot in the bb which is worth defending more than the sb.
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Originally Posted by bigspenda73
why would you ever 3bet more from the BB than the SB?
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Basically what meeloche said. ISF has always driven then in my head too for basically the same reasons.
jyms - I think that's a great idea
robb - I felt like this thread would have potential and it's already showing to live up to it. I just feel guilty that I get to be the "guinea pig".
meeloche - about squeezing with the reg and fish....I always intend to do that but chicken out thinking "oh shit if the fish calls wtf do I do".
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meeloche - about squeezing with the reg and fish....I always intend to do that but chicken out thinking "oh shit if the fish calls wtf do I do".
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cbet probably every flop and profit. Likely give up if called though. The large majority play fit or fold once they see a flop.
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Less than 50% cbet looks really really low for how strong your range must be (or at all in fact). You must hardly cbet at all when you miss.
I dont get why we should be 3betting more from the SB than the BB though.
In the BB we get to 3bet the SB in position.
In the BB we get to know SBs action before we act when button opens.
In the BB we get to squeeze sometimes.
Better position should mean entering and bloating more pots no? Or do you tend to call more from the BB when you would have raised in the SB since you cant be squeezed off the hand/ have no need to isolate?
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gabe: Ive dropped almost 100k in the past 35 days.
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Wow you are c-betting only 50% of the time. That should be more like 65%+ if you are playing this tight.
Although it can be a leak to c-bet too often, it is more of a leak to not c-bet enough. This is especially true if you are OOP. In general, you should be c-betting more OOP than IP.
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don't try to fix your tightness first.
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don't try to fix your tightness first.
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What do you mean? Are you referring to preflop? Play the sameish preflop style but learn to play postflop with it?
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The 3bet in sb vs bb discussion is pretty ridic. You're rarely gonna get cold 4bet with air, and if you do, there are easy adjustments u can make.
Meelo: By IP, you mean when we 3bet a SB open? Clearly thats profitable, but I think the discussion refers to CO/BTN opens, and I still like 3betting more in SB than BB especially at these stakes.
It's no big deal either way imo, there are a billion more important things a breakeven should focus on rather than 3bet more in SB or BB.
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don't try to fix your tightness first.
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What do you mean? Are you referring to preflop? Play the sameish preflop style but learn to play postflop with it? |
Yeah I mean everyone is saying you should loosen up but if you do that without learning how to play way more aggressively (pre and post) than you're just gonna lose more money. Unless you plan on working mega hard on postflop simultaneously with loosening up.
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Position and aggression will pretty much hand in hand. Once you figure out where your able to be aggressive and fire barrels and take initiative, you will also feel more comfortable in the CO/BTN spots to play more hands. Stealing from those positions more will allow you to open upa little more and just makes those tighter ranges UTG and in MP get paid all the more.
Tommy Angelo says"Acting last more than them creates an advantage." You will feel more comfortable being aggressive IP. Find those players that makes this profitable. Guys that fold to Cbet a ton, guys that call 3bets and fold to Cbets a ton, or guys that have a low fold to Cbet and a higher fold to turn cbet.
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Dunno if it's been mentioned yet but you're calling too much in the SB to play OOP where you obviously don't have a postflop edge.
Basically you're calling a lot of hands that will have reverse implied odds, or will get bluffed off your hand too much, and aren't aggro enough to bluff someone when you don't hit.
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I don't get why you insist on stacking off with like jack high all the time.
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Dunno if it's been mentioned yet but you're calling too much in the SB to play OOP where you obviously don't have a postflop edge.
Basically you're calling a lot of hands that will have reverse implied odds, or will get bluffed off your hand too much, and aren't aggro enough to bluff someone when you don't hit.
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meh he's probably folding too much from blinds actually
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Dunno if it's been mentioned yet but you're calling too much in the SB to play OOP where you obviously don't have a postflop edge.
Basically you're calling a lot of hands that will have reverse implied odds, or will get bluffed off your hand too much, and aren't aggro enough to bluff someone when you don't hit.
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In which case, 3bet these hands instead (?)
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Just wanted to chime in and say this has been one hell good of a thread.
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For like a year back or so these stats would have made you a small winner. But games have evolved fast and you haven't really evolved with them. Use all the advise given.
I've struggled with the same things a while back.
- I moved back to 25NL and basically kept my EP opening ranges but openend up a ton from the CO and BTN, to > 50%, sometimes ATC.
- Also get that CBET% to 70-80, it'll feel like you're cbetting way too much, but you aren't. And cbet those underpairs, middle pairs OOP.
- Stop being a pussy; barrel more with overcards and weakers draws, attack when you sense weakness, etc.
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Dunno if it's been mentioned yet but you're calling too much in the SB to play OOP where you obviously don't have a postflop edge.
Basically you're calling a lot of hands that will have reverse implied odds, or will get bluffed off your hand too much, and aren't aggro enough to bluff someone when you don't hit.
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I'm not a stats junky so correct me if i'm wrong but his VPIP from the SB is the same as his overall VPIP. That can't be right can it?
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In which case, 3bet these hands instead (?)
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He should definitely 3bet a little more from the SB but not all of those hands. Some of them should just be flat out folds. For example, KTo seems like a good hand to call with from the blinds but vs someone you aren't familiar with it can actually be pretty bad imo.
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I don't get why you insist on stacking off with like jack high all the time.
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- 1) wonder how profitable those calls from the blinds are? what sort of ranges/situations are you calling there?
2) you call 3-bets a lot.
3) Steal % isn't that interesting, but are you stealing the right situations?
4) 'm not sure about turn cbet being the same as flop cbet.
5) your fold to cbet seems low, but dunno
6) your W$SD seems high, either you're checking too much of your value range = going to showdown with it more often cos villain doesn't fold to a check or you're folding turns and rivers too much, hard to tell.
probably the only unique advice i can tender is that you shouldn't try changing too many things at once.
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I'm more an advocate of 3betting a linear mostly value range for the SB and a little more polarized from the BB. Sorry if I misled you in sessions we've had.
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The reason your 3-bet % is higher from the SB than the BB is that a lot of hands are robust enough to call a raise from the BB but they should bet 3-bet or folded from the SB. You get squeezed so often when you call out of the SB, and even if the BB just calls then you're playing a 3-way pot in the worst position. Facing a button raise, I usually 3-bet or fold the middle SCs and small pairs from the SB (unless the BB is a huge fish) and just call with them from the BB, but from the BB I 3-bet a lot of junky hands that I would auto-fold from the SB.
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2)You aren't c-betting enough.
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And this obv, this is most likely your biggest leak of all.
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I'm pretty sure I have that leak.
I've talked to you about it before, but I want to reiterate Irisheyes comments, dont try to rework your entire game in one go, you'll just confuse yourself. Pick an area, work on it, then move onto another area.
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Just playing to improve.
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Good advice Bjsaust.
My advice is that, that one area you work on be your BIG BLIND play.
I just had a look at my long term full stack stats and I was running at -24bb/100 (big blinds)/ -12BB/100 (big bets) and I was barely a winning player.
However if you had my -24/100 instead of your -45/100 in the BB you would have lost at least 1K less and therefore be up $900 or be running at 3.5 bb/100 or 1.75 BB/100 which is a massive difference.
I would be interested at what other peoples long term win-rate is in the Big Blind thouh.
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Some good advice ITT, picked up a few things I will look at myself.
My winrate at 50NL is alot better than it used to be these last 3 months/65k hands and I found that the following things have helped me alot. Nothing to do with stats e.t.c. but my 2 cents worth.
1. I used to tilt a fair bit like alot of players but I have now put a (near) stop to that and it must have saved me alot of bb/100. I know it is hard when you are running bad but running bad + tilt is alot worse. Not tilting is a massive edge over most other players. Now I feel I have nearly mastered the tilt demons I can now work more effectively on the theory side of the game, improve and move up again sooner rather than later.
2. I take regular breaks instead of grinding long sessions and only play when I have planned to play. My "impulse" sessions nearly always ended up being losing ones.
3. Table selection. I 6 table 6Max and if I am still at the same tables half an hour later they must be really good tables but most of the time I am dropping tables and finding better ones on average every 15mins. If there is a fish on my immediate left and 4 regulars than there will always be a better table available. It's 50NL after all.
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10-15-2009, 03:36 AM
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Originally Posted by kmind
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I have just looked at my stats here on "action facing player" and compared them to yours and there is a massive difference. Your biggest loser is when facing a single raiser. 14k hands, - $1743. For me this is my third biggest winner. I have 14k hands as well facing a single raiser but I am + $515. Our VPIP/PFR is similar (PFR in this spot is obv = 3bet) but my Cbet is 75% in 3b pots and yours is 50%. I used to think cbetting too much in 3 bet pots was a leak of mine but it gets a ton of folds at 50NL. Also being more aggressive/floating in the right spots when you have just called a single PFR will increase winnings here. Aggression for me a few months ago meant random spew but I am picking the best spots/opponents better than I used to.
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kmind
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Join Date: Oct 2006
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Originally Posted by daven
- 1) wonder how profitable those calls from the blinds are? what sort of ranges/situations are you calling there?
2) you call 3-bets a lot.
3) Steal % isn't that interesting, but are you stealing the right situations?
4) 'm not sure about turn cbet being the same as flop cbet.
5) your fold to cbet seems low, but dunno
6) your W$SD seems high, either you're checking too much of your value range = going to showdown with it more often cos villain doesn't fold to a check or you're folding turns and rivers too much, hard to tell.
probably the only unique advice i can tender is that you shouldn't try changing too many things at once. |
1. Someone looked at my stats earlier this month and told me how loose I was here so I definitely am playing tighter ranges for the most part but still doesn't make me feel as comfortable. I don't really know what ranges to play exactly but I am going with the "If I don't have position I should almost always have the initiative" rule lately. I used to complete in the blinds a lot after limpers but now I usually iso with most of my range. I think this is probably better but still leaky as I am continuing to play a lot of hands OOP.
2. You mean fold too much to 3bets? I'm basically folding 80% given call 3bet% + 4bet%.
3. I steal almost ATC when I have tight players in the blinds but when I see loose fish (happens a TON) I stop opening my mid SC and stuff like that. I am not sure if I should continue to pound on them? Just seems like their ranges are wider so I should have a linear range esp if they are calling a ton postflop. If that's the case, do I substitute like Q8 and shit?
4. I have been given different advice. I guess it's good that if I cbetting so low at least I am double barrelling as bluffs sometimes.
5. I agree. I am not sure what to do because I have basically arranged my preflop calling range to be almost only PP or AK/AQ, sometimes KQs, sometimes QJs, and sometimes JTs and I feel like I just don't bluff here much at all. 1. because I have a PP and only 2 outs if I try bluffing with them. 2. because when I call UTG raises I feel like I have to just flat with my straight and flush draws usually because I just take it down on the turn if they check (they had air and cbet air). Typing this part out seems like a leak. I guess I am saying usually they don't double barrel bluff so I almost always just flat so I can see a turn and take it down or fold. Maybe I should just raise more.
6. I think I am just horrible at getting value on the river. I am definitely working on that.
thanks for the post!
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kmind
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Originally Posted by mcatdog
The reason your 3-bet % is higher from the SB than the BB is that a lot of hands are robust enough to call a raise from the BB but they should bet 3-bet or folded from the SB. You get squeezed so often when you call out of the SB, and even if the BB just calls then you're playing a 3-way pot in the worst position. Facing a button raise, I usually 3-bet or fold the middle SCs and small pairs from the SB (unless the BB is a huge fish) and just call with them from the BB, but from the BB I 3-bet a lot of junky hands that I would auto-fold from the SB.
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Originally Posted by Renton
2)You aren't c-betting enough.
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And this obv, this is most likely your biggest leak of all. |
Thanks for the post! I don't really quite understand the last sentence. Why is it ok to 3bet junky stuff from the BB but not SB? I understand everything else but is it because you want a bluffing range and the SC and what not are put in your calling range so you thus go to the garbage?
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kmind
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Originally Posted by noble007
Good advice Bjsaust.
My advice is that, that one area you work on be your BIG BLIND play.
I just had a look at my long term full stack stats and I was running at -24bb/100 (big blinds)/ -12BB/100 (big bets) and I was barely a winning player.
However if you had my -24/100 instead of your -45/100 in the BB you would have lost at least 1K less and therefore be up $900 or be running at 3.5 bb/100 or 1.75 BB/100 which is a massive difference.
I would be interested at what other peoples long term win-rate is in the Big Blind thouh.
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I understand you shortstack now but do you have any advice on what to look for in making my BB more profitable? I know you have mentioned filters in the past so is there anything I should look at on my own time? Anything I should post here? Thank you so much for your help!
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bjsaust
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Playing a strong range from the BB help. I have much the same bb/100 as noble in the BB and generally play squeaky tight. People just dont adjust.
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Just playing to improve.
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