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tom'NOT'dwan
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12-26-2009, 09:41 PM
Post subject: 500bbs deep,
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Two Pair
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Wiltshire,UK
Posts: 25
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A house game $2/$4, a pretty low standard game with lots of limping pre. I seem to be the only player who is aggro PF esp LP.
The table is gonna break soon for lunch and some players are talking about going home.
UTG 26bbs....Has been loose fishy and starting to move his short stack in to double up before lunch.
MP N/A
Co N/A
BTN hero 500bbs
SB 100bbs has been card dead and tightened up, says he is happy to break even today.
BB 500bbs...Aggro, bluffy, has domintated the table but has avoided me. I think he pushed me off a draw a while back. Capable in running big bluffs.
UTG all in 26bbs, folds to BTN(hero) 7s7h, calls 26bbs. folds to BB calls 26bbs.
Thoght i was ahead of the utg push, as he has made some very light pre flop pushes even out of position, i didnt want to 3bet as only better hands would call behind me now.
Flop; 6s,5d,8s. bb chks, hero bets 50bbs bb calls.
Turn; 9s. bb bets 50bbs, hero raises 200bbs, bb pushes all in, hero ???
So what now? I have to think there is more bluffs in his, and dont want to get pushed off just because we are so deep, but i feel iv crossed the commitment threshold without being 100% my decesions. He is just as likely to play this way with A8o,as a big draw. I dont JJ+ is in his range as he would of 3bet PF. But sets and bluffs are a massive part of his range.
What mistakes do you think i made if any, and whats your guys thought process here?
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AnTman_69
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Flush
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Brisbane, Australia
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You should probably post this in the live poker thread, but i'll give my 2cents neway. First off, i would 3b the utg open 26bb shove in an attempt to isolate him and hopefully get it in good.
You say that you didn't want to 3b pre because you thought only better hands would call. Why are you raising this turn after being led into when only better hands will call....
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tom'NOT'dwan
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Two Pair
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Wiltshire,UK
Posts: 25
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My raise was bad, im shutting out a massive part of his range (bluffs). Although i dont think he is getting away from sets and he does not put any 7s in my range. I played this badly, but my real question is how should i play the flop onwards and what should my thinking be?
You say i should 3bet pre, but by 3betting im either iso the shortie or folding alot of flops or folding to 4bets.
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baudib
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 3,233
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i'm not really a 6-max online person but i've been doing a lot of live play lately, and have run into some hairy spots very deep as well.
as a rule of thumb, don't raise if a reraise if going to make you throw up in your mouth (that is, if you really really hate to get raised off your hand. if you have TT, get donked into, raise and get 4-bet on an A 7 2 flop, you can pretty much safely throw your hand away, no biggie. getting raised off a straight flush draw sucks arse).
as gross as it is, without better reads than what you've given (ok, he can make moves, how often have you seen him shove a set on an obvious straight board/flush board) it's hard to believe he can 4-bet you here for all his chips with worse so you can't call hoping for a 2-outer/chop at best.
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WtfFml
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Join Date: Dec 2009
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I really cant say, sounds like villain is a big bluffer, but has he made this move for his entire stack before? You say he can run big bluffs. I really dont see him having 7T or any other 7, so its either set, flush, or bluff. You beat 2 out of 3, I say call
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Marshall28
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Full House
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 1,198
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Flatting preflop is clearly the only correct play, if you were in the SB I could see more of an argument for 3bet isolating but with position and a hand that can flop big and also play well heads up, you want to entice the BB to come along, not push him out. Clearly if you 3bet and get 4bet that opens up a whole other can of worms creating a lot of passive dead money that you want to avoid.
As far as your flop play goes, a bet is debatable since you are betting into a dry side pot with a marginal hand that can't expect much worse to call. I suppose if you are just trying to push BB off of hands that have decent equity against you like QJo/KQo then the bet is fine and you could likely even get away with betting smaller (unless you felt that would induce him to try to bluff you out of your bet into a dry side pot, but only you can know if he's dumb enough to try something like that.
Anyways I think the flop bet was fine but really dislike your turn play. Your hand is extremely vulnerable and you commit effectively more than half your stack to the pot with a raise making it VERY difficult for you to fold if he does shove. It also makes it even more difficult for him to show up with a bluff the times he does jam over if he's paying any attention to effective stack sizes and pot to stack ratio at all.
I know it sounds weak but I think you really need to just call this weak turn donk lead unless you are prepared to raise for protection and fold to a shove. If you are prepared to fold to a shove, your raise should be no where near the size you made it, should be something more like 125bb, 200 is unnecessary and suicide.
Think about it dude, is this guy really going to c/c a hand like As9c on the flop then b/3b shove it on the turn for 2000$ in a 2/4 game? If you think he's that crazy and that his range is really that wide preflop and on the flop then your decision should have been made before you made your turn raise. IMO though this looks like you're drawing to 1 out a lot of the time.
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tom'NOT'dwan
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Two Pair
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Wiltshire,UK
Posts: 25
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Originally Posted by Marshall28
If you think he's that crazy and that his range is really that wide preflop and on the flop then your decision should have been made before you made your turn raise. IMO though this looks like you're drawing to 1 out a lot of the time.
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He showed up with A5..  !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I knew he was capable of a big bluff, but this was sick! I won the pot but felt when i got back home that i really got away with this. I like what marshall thoughts on the hand.
Its hard to really give a great description on a live player without writing an essay.
Thx for the replies.
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Muzzard
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Cheshire, UK
Posts: 1,843
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He must've had the As though?
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nutsinho
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: flattin ur 4bets, makin u tilt
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well you certainly arent tom dwan
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