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yourfather
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12-09-2008, 09:37 PM
Post subject: 50 nl 4 bet bluff deep and i am a luckbox
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Full House
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So this guy has been 3 betting me at way to high a freq and I have been folding to most of them. I chose to 4 bet bluff here.
Thoughts? After he calls should I just c/f?
He'd prob 5 bet KK and AA usually I think so I tried to rep those hands on this flop seeing as I think he has AK/AQs 88-1010 quite a bit.
Is this worse cuz its deep or better cuz its deep?
OBV I luckboxed turn and river.
Full Tilt Poker, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
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BB: $111.10
UTG: $50
Hero (CO): $108.25
BTN: $32.85
SB: $76.15
Pre-Flop: 9 T dealt to Hero (CO)
UTG folds, Hero raises to $1.75, BTN calls $1.75, SB folds, BB raises to $7, Hero raises to $16.50, BTN folds, BB calls $9.50
Flop: ($35) J 4 6 (2 Players)
BB checks, Hero bets $18, BB calls $18
Turn: ($71) 4 (2 Players)
BB checks, Hero checks
River: ($71) 3 (2 Players)
BB checks, Hero bets $29.50, BB calls $29.50
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a500lbgorilla
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I like it. Wondering if he'd call more on the river. Like 55 more. He's probably in the mood to hero call with as light as AK here. Also, it's better that it's deep since you have position, aggression and the highest possible combination of diamonds in the deck.
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nutsinho
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wait why didnt you shove the river
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yourfather
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In retrospect I probably should have shoved but I thought he'd look me up a lot lighter getting better than 3:1.
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bigspenda73
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why are we 4betting instead of flatting PF?
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yourfather
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To make him fold preflop.
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Toadstool
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I'd rather 4 bet something that doesn't play so well postflop, and that has blockers to make the combinations of his good hands less.
9 10s, deep, in position make this a really great spot to just flat his 3 bet.
As played bet at least 50 on the river, probably shove.
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bigred
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I like a shove as well, you missed out on a lot of value. If you're such a luckbox you should start playing every hand imo.
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bode
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i also like calling the 3bet in this spot instead of 4betting. if your planning on 4betting as a bluff, pick something that you would have folded to the 3bet to in the first place. As played I like betting slightly bigger on the flop, like $21/22, and shoving the river. villain only has $42ish left, and if hes calling $30 hes calling off the rest of his stack.
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LuckySlevin
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wait why didnt you shove the river
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What makes the shove better than the value bet here? Are we not worried about him folding if we shove the river?
He's still got some behind what makes us confident he's going to stack off as easily as calling $30? I'm not doubting shoving is right, just interested in the reasoning.
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yourfather
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Originally Posted by bode
and shoving the river. villain only has $42ish left, and if hes calling $30 hes calling off the rest of his stack.
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He's got like $74 behind on river.
Edit: unless you mean after the $30 bet?
Also, I understand the reasoning behind flatting the 3 bet but isn't the 4 bet ok here too with this kind of hand? I figure he folds to it 3 betting this light alot which is a good result. If he does decide to flat it isn't it better to have a hand like 910s with decent equity in position than to do it with a complete garbage hand?
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LuckySlevin
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I think the idea with 4betting a hand you wouldn't normally play to a 3bet against a light 3better is that you are gaining extra value from cards that you wouldn't normally be playing. By 4betting this hand 9T(s) you've turned the hand that plays very well for IO into a bluff, in an ideal circumstance you want him to be strong when you play this hand, if he is, what do you do if he shoves over the top of your 4bet?
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