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yourfather
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11-26-2008, 04:33 AM
Post subject: 50 nl 3 betting light
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No real read on villain but almost everyone at 50nl opens pretty wide from the button when folded to and will fold to alot of 3 bets. if called at least this hand has some nut potential and its an easy fold to a 4 bet.
Thoughts on that and the rest always appreciated.
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BTN: $49.25
SB: $71.85
Hero (BB): $56.90
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Pre-Flop: A T dealt to Hero (BB)
3 folds, BTN raises to $2, SB folds, Hero raises to $5.50, BTN calls $3.50
Flop: ($11.25) A 4 3 (2 Players)
Hero checks, BTN checks
Turn: ($11.25) 5 (2 Players)
Hero bets $7, BTN calls $7
River: ($25.25) 8 (2 Players)
Hero checks, BTN checks
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kmind
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I don't 3bet a hand like ATs vs. someone who folds to 3bets a lot and if I do I make it at least 3.5x OOP. I fire a river bet as played.
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nutsinho
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i dont see why this is a hand you would elect to 3bet. if you do, 3bet to 6.50 or 7. as played bet flop. as played bet river.
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jimmy44
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i dont see why this is a hand you would elect to 3bet. if you do, 3bet to 6.50 or 7. as played bet flop. as played bet river.
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Why c-bet this dry flop, villain might fold TT-KK. If we had AK/AQ then betting this flop would be good as more Aces would pay us. Wouldn't it be better to check flop and play as OP, but betting river?
Or are you balancing the times you have AK/AQ and AA?
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nutsinho
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i dont see why this is a hand you would elect to 3bet. if you do, 3bet to 6.50 or 7. as played bet flop. as played bet river.
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Why c-bet this dry flop, villain might fold TT-KK. If we had AK/AQ then betting this flop would be good as more Aces would pay us. Wouldn't it be better to check flop and play as OP, but betting river?
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balance? its just a straight up value spot. if you are somehow worried that villain will fold a huge hand he slowplayed with preflop (el oh el) then bet like $3.50
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yourfather
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Not sure why i 3 bet so small I usually make it at least $6 here. I don't see why you wouldn't 3 bet here if he is likely to fold. Also i probably should have bet river but I felt like a C/R might be coming and would def have C/C.
And also I check flop to get later value (although not enough here) from hands I am beating and not to fold out hands I am ahead of that are likely only drawing to two outs. Not sure why i should bet flop really.
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bigspenda73
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you're intentionally dominating yourself by 3betting AT
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nutsinho
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yeah why not call with a sweet hand like ATs and 3bet 75s. You should bet the flop because that is the street on which you will get peeled lightly because you would bet your air on this flop as well. Think about what range you check this flop with. If villain is any good he wont be calling any bets with 99 later in the hand if you check, but will probably call if you make something like a 2/5 pot bet on the flop.
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Delayed c-bets on dry Ace flops are fun.
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jimmy44
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yeah why not call with a sweet hand like ATs and 3bet 75s. You should bet the flop because that is the street on which you will get peeled lightly because you would bet your air on this flop as well. Think about what range you check this flop with. If villain is any good he wont be calling any bets with 99 later in the hand if you check, but will probably call if you make something like a 2/5 pot bet on the flop.
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Thanks nutsinho! I think this ^ is the key.
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yourfather
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yeah why not call with a sweet hand like ATs and 3bet 75s.
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So are you saying its best to polarize my 3 bet range?
Also, are you saying I am losing value in A10s by essentially turning it into a bluff preflop?
Thanks.
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Originally Posted by yourfather
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yeah why not call with a sweet hand like ATs and 3bet 75s.
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So are you saying its best to polarize my 3 bet range?
Also, are you saying I am losing value in A10s by essentially turning it into a bluff preflop?
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Originally Posted by kmind
I don't 3bet a hand like ATs vs. someone who folds to 3bets a lot and if I do I make it at least 3.5x OOP. I fire a river bet as played.
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What do you do with it? Calling OOP is going to make the hand quite hard to play and 3betting is pretty clear +EV against this kind of opponent as long as we dont spew postflop.
Id make it $6 or $7 preflop and Id probably bet the river. Apart from that I like it.
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its just a straight up value spot. if you are somehow worried that villain will fold a huge hand he slowplayed with preflop (el oh el) then bet like $3.50
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Our hand isnt strong enough for 3 streets of value. I think we tend to get more from check flop -> bet turn -> bet river than bet flop -> check turn -> bet river. The only issue if we always play it like this is we turn our hand face up against anyone whose paying attention but there probably arent too many of them at 50NL.
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kmind
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nutsino/spenda already replied why I just call here preflop. Should be more +EV calling.
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JL
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Originally Posted by yourfather
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yeah why not call with a sweet hand like ATs and 3bet 75s.
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So are you saying its best to polarize my 3 bet range? |
It depends...
Here is a good thread for you to read:
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...ng-t61119.html
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