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sauce123

07-20-2007, 05:02 AM Post subject: 5/10 vs StaringElf- Play Along With Sauce

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Ok Cool im excited about this thread. So the deal is- we're playing 5/10 nl on stars. We are running 22/18 today but our opponents see us as probably 25/21 on their HUD and we also have a very aggressive thin value/ bluffing too much image postflop. StaringElf is a 23/18 ish reg (probably tighter than this 6max but thats what i have him on HUD) I would estimate hes a small winner at 5/10- he knows and is capable of any fancy play u can think of tho hes relatively solid in general. I think he tends to call down too often vs me and that really my standard "read" tho realistically there are worse things to do as im bluffing a lot... if u have any more specific image related questions post em and ill get back to u tho obviously ones like "well how does he play AK???" or something are far too specific for me to answer so keep em reasonable. Each street is posted below with the important parts being in white. Would be cool if ppl posted why they choose each action on each street also.

POKERSTARS GAME #11022377779: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($5/$10) - 2007/07/19 - 15:06:17 (ET)
Table 'Dresda III' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: Auw Dawg ($2170.75 in chips)
Seat 2: antyfreez ($1525 in chips)
Seat 3: Sauce123 ($4871.25 in chips)
Seat 4: staringelf ($1039 in chips) Seat 6: wixxx ($542 in chips)
Seanlawn will be allowed to play after the button
wixxx: posts small blind $5
Auw Dawg: posts big blind $10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Sauce123 [Th Tc]
antyfreez: folds
Sauce123: raises $20 to $30
staringelf: calls $30
wixxx: folds
Auw Dawg: folds
*** FLOP *** [2h 2s 6c]
Sauce123: bets $50
staringelf: calls $50
*** TURN *** [2h 2s 6c] [Ks]
Sauce123: bets $110
staringelf: raises $190 to $300

End of Turn Action is Right here in White

Sauce123: calls $190

*** RIVER *** [2h 2s 6c Ks] [Ah]
Sauce123: checks
staringelf: bets $659 and is all-in

And Results

Sauce123: calls $659
*** SHOW DOWN ***
staringelf: shows [6s 9s] (two pair, Sixes and Deuces)
Sauce123: shows [Th Tc] (two pair, Tens and Deuces)
Sauce123 collected $2091 from pot
antyfreez said, "vnh"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $2093 | Rake $2
Board [2h 2s 6c Ks Ah]
Seat 1: Auw Dawg (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: antyfreez folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Sauce123 showed [Th Tc] and won ($2091) with two pair, Tens and Deuces
Seat 4: staringelf (button) showed [6s 9s] and lost with two pair, Sixes and Deuces
Seat 6: wixxx (small blind) folded before Flop

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sauce123

07-20-2007, 05:14 AM

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also the cool thing about this hand is that every strong player who i talked to at 3/6+ plays it the same-

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07-20-2007, 05:36 AM

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I'll start with my thoughts on just the turn. I definitely think it's a bet because it's a good two barrel bluff spot for you, and since he calls you down light you could probably even pull off three barreling for value.

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07-20-2007, 05:57 AM

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Quote:

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also the cool thing about this hand is that every strong player who i talked to at 3/6+ plays it the same-

people might tell you this but in the heat of the moment i doubt it

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07-20-2007, 06:32 AM

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I play this the same too. Obviously not against all villains, but with your description of StaringElf this is kinda std.

This is probably oversimplified, but you double barrel on the scare card b/c you prolly do this with any 2 cards, he raises u b/c he thinks ure full of shit obv. You call cuz u have the best hand most of the time.

Now river im not sure. If you shove here he'll probably call with worse anyways, but will fold air. If you check is he the kind of player that checks a small pair here? Or will he turn it into a bluff (or value wtv)?

I'd c/c river 80% of the time I think.

Turn is std imo, river seems to be the interesting part.

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07-20-2007, 01:29 PM

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I think you played this perfectly. Preflop adn flop is standard - on the turn he is representing that the K helped him whish is unlikely as AK would reraise pre and KQ/KJ would probably just fold the flop - it looks as though he doesnt think it could have helped you and is just trying to get you to fold a hand like you have, there are no flush draws on the flop so he probably didnt call with Kx suited. The only hand he may have that beats you is 66 and that is probably a small % of his range.

On the river there is abolutely no other play apart from C/C or C/F - there is no value in betting and the best chance of getting more money is to try and let him bluff is he has got a worse hand. He represented that the K helped him and when the A comes he goes AI? what is he representing? he cant have AK he would have reraised pre....KQ/KJ dont value bet the river like that with the A out - so its down to does he have 66 or not? and its more than likely he doesn't (assuming he is standard TAGG at 5/10)

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07-20-2007, 01:31 PM

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I think it makes it an even easier river call if you play it from the point of view "what does he think I've got?"

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07-20-2007, 01:58 PM

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hmmm, i got preflop and the flop right.

looking at the turn and river play, it appears i have a major leak...
i guess that's why i'm not at 3/6 yet.

i definitely don't think this is standard at 100NL.

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07-20-2007, 02:43 PM

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ok i havent looked at the river action.

PF and flop are fine. i DO 2nd barrel that card on turn, K is a very small part of his range (like miniscule now) so what can he raise with?? his range of hands is now so small IMO, incl's mostly small PP's. any other logical hand would of either repopped preflop or flop by now. so call is goot, i check the river then

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07-20-2007, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Toadstool

KQ/KJ dont value bet the river like that with the A out - so its down to does he have 66 or not? and its more than likely he doesn't (assuming he is standard TAGG at 5/10)

I think he could have possibly gotten there with A6 suited or something, but yah thats about it.

The whole hand seems to fully play out on the assumption that villain would always repop AK preflop. IF villain sometimes flat calls AK PF, it seems as though all of the decisions in this hand are made a lot harder?

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07-20-2007, 04:57 PM

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Turn I definetely bet, i don't think he has a two here, but i feel like we're ahead here a ton. He's going to think you're repping the K here sometimes, and his range a lot for u is incorrectly going to be air or a K (or 66/A2/22), so we win in that book. Check calling or raising seems really dumb and doesnt make any sense.

Now lets see what u did.

hmmm staring elf raises. This raise is really odd because he's repping a 2, but a flop raise is so super standard it would have to be one of those times he decided to call the flop with trips/boat instead of raising. The only reasonable thing i see him floating here is something like KJs or KTs, cleary AK/KQ is an easy threebet pre. Although, raising in this spot doesn't make much sense either, unless he has something like K6s, which makes sense. Of course there's also stuff like 54 that turned a fd. Really, the best hand i can put him on is K6s, which is still unlikely pre. I may call here out of utter confusing and the fact we had his range so crushed on the flop.

Okay....

Alright if he's shoving something like KJs or KT that is super thin, although I'd say something like K6 isn't. I don't think he has something like Axs that turned a flush draw, but it's possible. His river push is either very thin or he just decided to play a 2 or boat differently. So again, i feel bad because i dont really put opp on a hand where i feel wow, he's definetely playing this hand this way, so i probably fold.

Okay....

now seeing the results it seems like opp played the hand decently, however i'm surprised he would make that move when he's repping so little. Damn, if i only though of 6 and a fd, that made such perfect sense, i probably would've said call.

Awesome hand, although it really takes indepth hand reading ability.

From opps perspective, he raised the turn to hope to get you off your air so you don't draw him out, or something like QQ-77. He was probably planning to c behind the river if he missed but the A was way too good of a card.

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07-20-2007, 04:59 PM

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Okay i guess my question after my guesses in my analysis is do you think opp will think you have QQ-77 on the turn a good amount or weight you more towards air/King/2?

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07-20-2007, 05:01 PM

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Antoher question is: If you have AQ on that turn, do you bet? It seems like people will call so light in this spot that it doesnt seem worth it (and shades our range once again, villain probably will expect us to bet air here in the future)

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07-20-2007, 05:02 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by |~|ypermegachi

It isn't

Hands get really thin, this isn't something your going to have to focus on for awhile.

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07-20-2007, 05:45 PM

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oh and this question is for sauce or anyone else that thinks this play is pretty standard. What river card would make this river a FOLD instead of a call?

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07-20-2007, 08:29 PM

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oh and this question is for sauce or anyone else that thinks this play is pretty standard. What river card would make this river a FOLD instead of a call?

I think if a spade comes we have to fold because we have to expect a lot of FD's
(yeah im saying this after we see he had this but if u look at my first post u'd probably come to the same conclusion).

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07-21-2007, 06:33 PM

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i htink im check calling any river except for a spade- which i still might check call

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