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5/10 HU against aggrooo, how is this river c/r?

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griffey24

12-21-2007, 01:17 PM Post subject: 5/10 HU against aggrooo, how is this river c/r?

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- Villain has been very aggressive so far, and raising most of his buttons and 3-betting all of my button raises, if he's in a hand.
-I haven't been playing with him that long, but I noticed how many hands he was playing and decided to tighten up a bit, so he's been stealing a lot of my blinds and seeing me fold a lot postflop
-he hasn't seen me make any plays at him yet, and all hands I've 3-bet him in so far I've shown down mostly top pair with aces

Here are a couple of hands before the hand in question:

Hand 1

Cryptologic
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $5/$10
2 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
Hero: $3020.75
BB: $1015

Pre-flop: (2 players) Hero is SB with

Hero raises to $34, BB raises to $90, Hero calls $56 (pot was $109).

Flop:

($180, 2 players)
BB bets $110, Hero raises to $370, BB raises all-in $925, Hero calls $555 (pot was $1475).

Turn:

($2030, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $2030)

River:

($2030, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $2030)

Results:
Final pot: $2030
BB shows :Qc: :Kc:
Hero shows :Jc: :Ah:

hand 2:
-I thought about raising this flop, but with the way he had been playing and stack sizes I figured he would come back over the top pretty often and I didn't wanna get taken off my draw

Cryptologic
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $5/$10
2 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
Hero: $2083.25
BB: $1943.50

Pre-flop: (2 players) Hero is SB with

Hero raises to $33, BB raises to $100, Hero calls $67 (pot was $118).

Flop:

($200, 2 players)
BB bets $140, Hero calls $140 (pot was $340).

Turn:

($480, 2 players)
BB bets $390, Hero calls $390 (pot was $870).

River:

($1260, 2 players)
BB is all-in $1313.5, Hero folds.
Uncalled bets: $1313.5 returned to BB.

Results:
Final pot: $1260
BB shows

HAND IN QUESTION:
-second hand in session that I flat called pre instead of 3-betting, had been 3-betting all other hands from OOP
-turn call is questionable, but I expected him to bet it and I legitimately thought I could be ahead. Though a fold or raise is probably best here, but he had been barrelling allllll the time
-river I put his range heavily weighted towards an A, and my range could definitely have a 4 in it. I don't think he can call here without a 4 given the size of the push. Good/bad/crazy/spewfest?

Cryptologic
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $5/$10
2 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
SB: $2074.50
Hero: $1948.25

Pre-flop: (2 players) Hero is BB with

SB raises to $30, Hero calls $20 (pot was $35).

Flop:

($60, 2 players)
Hero checks, SB bets $40, Hero calls $40 (pot was $100).

Turn:

($140, 2 players)
Hero checks, SB bets $120, Hero calls $120 (pot was $260).

River:

($380, 2 players)
Hero checks, SB bets $340, Hero raises all-in $1758.25

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pocketfours

12-21-2007, 11:49 PM

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It hurts to look at this tbh.

1. I don't see you calling turn nearly psb with a gutshot (you could reasonably have 4sxs or 45).
2. Your line looks like missed flushdraw.
3. Villain isn't always folding a set or even two pair.
4. A good player will wonder why you are making a bet that can only be called with the nuts or very close to it, when he knows that you know that he very likely does not have it.
5. He knows that you are getting frustrated with his barreling.

Villain is betting almost pot three streets, so he might have a big hand. He has to fold about 75% of the time for this to be profitable.

Instead of raising, you can just call here if you think he is full of it.

pocketfours

12-21-2007, 11:58 PM

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A good player doesn't always need a big hand to make a big call:

Seat 3: VILLAIN ($1,684.40 in chips)
Seat 8: HERO [ AD,8C ] ($621.00 in chips)
ANTES/BLINDS
VILLAIN posts blind ($3), HERO posts blind ($6).

PRE-FLOP
VILLAIN calls $3, HERO bets $22, VILLAIN calls $22.

FLOP [board cards 6D,10C,KS ]
HERO bets $45, VILLAIN calls $45.

TURN [board cards 6D,10C,KS,3D ]
HERO checks, VILLAIN bets $105, HERO bets $548 and is all-in, VILLAIN calls $443.

RIVER [board cards 6D,10C,KS,3D,10H ]

SHOWDOWN
HERO shows [ AD,8C ]
VILLAIN shows [ JD,AH ]
VILLAIN wins $1,241.

griffey24

12-22-2007, 04:18 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pocketfours

4. A good player will wonder why you are making a bet that can only be called with the nuts or very close to it, when he knows that you know that he very likely does not have it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by pocketfours

A good player doesn't always need a big hand to make a big call

I think these are two really good quotes that I need to take out of this hand. Especially the second quote. Sometimes I just assume that they will need a big hand to make such a big call and I don't think thats necessarily the case.

Definitely in my mind when I made the push I was thinking "he doesn't have a 4, and the only way he can call such a big push is with a 4".. and thats probably a really bad thing to think.

Thanks for the good comments pocketfours

thanks for the good comments pocketfours

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