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01-01-2008, 10:31 PM
Post subject: 45bb, 200NL, JJ vs unknown 3bet from BB
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4-of-a-Kind
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HERO $85
VILLAIN covers
HERO opens JJ UTG $7
someone cold calls,
VILLAIN in BB 3bets to $25
HERO calls.
other guy folds.
FLOP 7 3 A (pot = $62, hero's stack = $58)
VILLAIN checks...
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Muzzard
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Check behind, c/f alot of turns depending on any reads
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Numbr2intheWorld
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shove pre...
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meeloche
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Massimo
shove pre...
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Yeah i think this makes life a lot easier.
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bigspenda73
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seriously, how/why are you calling PF here?
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Da GOAT
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wow u called pre, i assumed its either a shove or fold depending on your estimate of opp range. calling is never good here!!
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Jman: every time the action is to you, it's an opportunity for you to make the perfect play.
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minSim
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Once you call preflop I don't see how this can not be a c/f.
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Rondavu
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Push the flop. He's going to fold.
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Internal organs. And they're getting uglier by the minute.
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noble007
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If I was villian I would go for stack-a-donk alot here vs shortstack &
check to him on flop, letting him shove all his mid pairs etc & more into my AK.
So if I was in your scenario hyper I would check fold.
Pre-flop is tricky, as peoples 3bet range vs unknown shortstacks are pretty tight - I mean they're going to have to call if you shove pre, so they're unlikely to be 3bet a hand they wouldnt be happy doing this with.
I think a shove pre-flop is best though its pretty close.
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kmind
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Rondavu
Push the flop.
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But also pushing pre is better
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hmmm, i'm experimenting with the half-stack strategy and i guess i still haven't really adjusted to preflop 3bets/4bets yet. i always call a 3bet full-stacked in position with JJ.
he had AA. gg, nothing i could do.
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mixchange
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you are in position but he raised you (UTG) out of position. Considering pot/stack size pushing pre is best, but I think a fold is better considering his raise in respect to your position. In other spots I'd push.
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Lukie
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this can't be a fold pre vs an unknown for 42bb... we are shoving in $78 to win $175 (after rake). We need about 44% equity for shoving to be neutral EV even if cold caller folds 100% and bb calls 100% which is worse case for us obviously.
it's easy to construct a BB range that we have only 40% vs but that would (IMO) be too tight vs an unknown and also assumes 0 FE which probably isn't true although we obviously will have very little.
i like shoving over calling pre. stack sizes are kinda awkward and we are put into awkward spots like this too much. cold caller complicates that even more.
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