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jimmy44
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03-25-2009, 06:37 PM
Post subject: 400NL: 99 IP vs TAG
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villain was 22/17/3 c-bet 69%
On flop I put him mostly on JJ/99/88/66/55/AK/AT/JT and maybe 89.
When he checks turn I still put him on the same hands so I think this is good spot to bet again, no? If he raises he has most likely AT/JT or maybe a FD re-bluffing us.
If we check here, what is our line on the river if villain bets 1/2 on a heart?
No-Limit Hold'em, $4.00 BB (5 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
UTG ($856.65)
Hero (MP) ($425)
Button ($398.90)
SB ($589.20)
BB ($400)
Preflop: Hero is MP with 9 , 9
UTG bets $14, Hero calls $14, 3 folds
Flop: ($34) 10, Q , 7 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $20, UTG calls $20
Turn: ($74) 10 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero ??
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elipsesjeff
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I dont really get your flop bet. I also think he'd c/f 55-88 and cbet most of his draws. Does villain play QJ/KQ like this often as depending on your image it might be a good way to play TP vs you.
Are you betting for value or to try and get JJ to fold? I'm confused.
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meeloche
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Originally Posted by elipsesjeff
I dont really get your flop bet. I also think he'd c/f 55-88 and cbet most of his draws. Does villain play QJ/KQ like this often as depending on your image it might be a good way to play TP vs you.
Are you betting for value or to try and get JJ to fold? I'm confused.
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this
I would say this is a 10 or you could probably add some queens into that range as well based on your image which I'm assuming isn't stationy or super aggro.
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Fnord
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Flop bet is fine.
Flop range is silly. He should have a lot of shit in his range that he's giving up on.
Turn is a fun spot. I could go either way. Although, Tx sounds like the sort of hand that would c/c the flop.
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griffey24
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I don't mind the flop bet at all, with reads that this type of playing isn't c/r every draw in the world (all insiders etc).. cause we don't wanna get blown off here. If he's going to c/c draws then I like the bet.
I check turn almost always though, and soul read his river lead.
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Originally Posted by Jay-Z
I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
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meeloche
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You think a 22/17/3 reg is c/c draws as the pfr?
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PQQP
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Flop bet is excellent, lets you know where ur at in the hand before you start making rash decisions by being the calling station the whole way
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griffey24
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Originally Posted by meeloche
You think a 22/17/3 reg is c/c draws as the pfr?
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ooooh my bad... didn't notice hero wasn't PFR!
Well I still don't mind the bet, but now moreso for protection/taking it down than for direct value. Though now that he c/c'd flop I'm much more likely to check through turn and fold most rivers.
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Originally Posted by Jay-Z
I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
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b-rabbit
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how often do we see the villain taking this line with a set on the flop at these stakes??
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do the right thing.
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Alexos
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I think his c/c range is 90% Tx, so I give up after flop cbet.
As for whether to cbet or not, I don't think we need to protect that much, because I'd expect him to cbet any gutshots or better, which on this board is a huge range. His c/f range could include stuff like 56s or a9s type stuff than will have at most 3 outs so we don't need to worry about that. So, check.
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Originally Posted by PQQP
Flop bet is excellent, lets you know where ur at in the hand before you start making rash decisions by being the calling station the whole way
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we bet to make worst hands call and better hands fold, not to "see where we're at"
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Genitruc
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check flop bet turn massive overbet riv (when checked to)
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when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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meeloche
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Originally Posted by b-rabbit
how often do we see the villain taking this line with a set on the flop at these stakes??
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0% of the time.
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99 seems like one of the worst hands you could bet with on the turn?
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b-rabbit
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Originally Posted by meeloche
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Originally Posted by b-rabbit
how often do we see the villain taking this line with a set on the flop at these stakes??
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0% of the time. |
ha fair enough
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do the right thing.
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jimmy44
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Do you think that this guy could c/c TP OOP on such a drawy board when he c-bets 69%?
Turn: ($74) 10, Q, 7, 10 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks.
River: ($74) 10, Q, 7, 10, 2 (2 players)
UTG bets $70, Hero ???
We all agree that villain has a very small percentage of the time a flush here, right?
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elipsesjeff
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I'd be more likely to call this if we hadn't bet the flop. Now I guess just fold it.
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Genitruc
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shoving is fine here
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when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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griffey24
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Originally Posted by Genitruc
shoving is fine here
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I've definitely seen ppl c/c on flops after being PFR with hands like AQhh, KQhh or a hand like AJhh sometimes, when they think A high is even good.
I don't know that shoving is fine here.....
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Originally Posted by Jay-Z
I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
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Alexos
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bet size is scary, foooooldd
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Numbr2intheWorld
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im not sure what you are possible thinking that makes you want to call this river.
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Genitruc
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in all of my poker playing life i ve never seen an aggro tagg with this guy's stats check-call a good FD oop in this spot on the flop
the only hand that really scares me is ducks
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when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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griffey24
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I think he has trip T's here a ridiculous amount of the time...so I'd folddd for sure.
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Originally Posted by Jay-Z
I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
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IowaSkinsFan
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I'd fold it looks too much like trip Tens.
I'd check the flop, betting is okay.
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bjsaust
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If we had a FD on the flop would we bet when checked to?
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elipsesjeff
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Like what, Ah9h or Ah8h? Every other reasonable combination gives us combo draw to the nuts of some sort. And yeah I'd bet those but for completely different reasons.
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bjsaust
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I guess I'm wondering if most of his range is trip tens, and we'd play a NFD this way, then does he fold his trip Ts enough to bluff here?
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Just playing to improve.
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Alexos
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betting the flop is okay if u plan to bluff/turn your hand into a bluff at least sometimes on turn/river just because you have so many bluffing cards vs his weak range
but id rather use a different hand than 99 to do that with
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i fold.
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