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Irisheyes
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12-05-2006, 06:08 PM
Post subject: 400NL 2 deep hands with a LAG
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So me and this guy have been going at it for about an hour now on 4 different tables. He runs 35/25/2.5 and I don't think he's all that good. I've been repopping him loads pf and getting the better of him post flop. I'd be supprised if he didn't have a real yearning to shoot me in the head.
Previous to this I stacked him with QQ for 100bb when he c/r flop, push turn with TT on a low flop in a reraised pot. He's been starting to play back at me post flop a bit, he's check raised my cbets in reraised pots etc.
Hand 1) Can anyone imagine ever stacking off here? Fold flop?
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (3 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
saw flop|saw showdown
Button ($930.60)
Hero ($842.95)
BB ($434.30)
Preflop: Hero is SB with K , Q . Hero posts a blind of $2.
Button raises to $12, Hero (poster) raises to $42, 1 fold, Button calls $32.
Flop: ($92) T, 3 , K (2 players)
Hero bets $72, Button raises to $188, Hero calls $116.
Turn: ($468) 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $277, Hero ???
Hand 2) Whats my plan here?
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (3 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
saw flop|saw showdown
SB ($776.20)
Hero ($849.10)
UTG ($84)
Preflop: Hero is BB with 4, 2. SB posts a blind of $2.
UTG calls $4, SB (poster) completes, Hero checks.
Flop: ($12) 4, 4, Q (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $10, UTG folds, SB raises to $33, Hero ???
Thanks everyone.
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griffey24
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12-05-2006, 06:21 PM
Post subject: hands
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Hand #1 - I've seen this play a lot, with air/A high from villain. They raise PF, and they don't like the flop donk lead into them, so they raise to take control of the hand on the flop.
I think I might find a call here on the turn, given how aggressive villain seems, and how much you two are playing at each other..
Hand #2 - re-raise to $100ish, and fold to a push maybe?... if you think villain could have a 4.. re-raise since any Q or heart probably kills you
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gabe
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hand 1 is really interesting
...thats all ive got for now
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Miffed22001
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Originally Posted by gabe
hand 1 is really interesting
...thats all ive got for now
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1 doesnt make much sense unless he has a real hand (AK/set/KT) or maybe QJ at a push. But if hes playing a big pot when he must probably put you on a K or a hand that liked the flop hes playing dangerous no?
Call on flop in 2 and c/r all in on non heart turn and probably show down if a heart shows up anyway?
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Irisheyes
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Call on flop in 2 and c/r all in on non heart turn and probably show down if a heart shows up anyway?
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we're 200bb deep.
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Irisheyes
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hand 1 is really interesting
...thats all ive got for now
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please elaborate...
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Miffed22001
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Call on flop in 2 and c/r all in on non heart turn and probably show down if a heart shows up anyway?
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just dont make it all in then 
I think he has a queen here a lot and maybe a heart draw a fair share of the time. I guess he has a four sometimes too in which case i think we get value for a raise on the turn but can dump it versus opp showing strength back.
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lolzzz_321
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Hand 2, call and lead non <3 turn
Hand 1
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nutsinho
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we are beat too often i hand 1, he has to give you credit for a good hand
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griffey24
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12-06-2006, 02:44 PM
Post subject: calling..
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Call on flop in 2 and c/r all in on non heart turn and probably show down if a heart shows up anyway?
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Originally Posted by Triptan3s
Hand 2, call and lead non <3 turn
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I'm just curious as to why most people are suggesting a flat call on the flop of hand 2? Does re-raising give away our hand too much?
I'd just like to hear the benefits of flat calling, and leading/CR'ing turn, as opposed to re-raising flop. Because I definitely find myself re-raising here often.
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We are trying to extract value from Qx and a flushdraw.
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Miffed22001
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12-06-2006, 02:58 PM
Post subject: Re: calling..
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Call on flop in 2 and c/r all in on non heart turn and probably show down if a heart shows up anyway?
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Originally Posted by Triptan3s
Hand 2, call and lead non <3 turn
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I'm just curious as to why most people are suggesting a flat call on the flop of hand 2? Does re-raising give away our hand too much?
I'd just like to hear the benefits of flat calling, and leading/CR'ing turn, as opposed to re-raising flop. Because I definitely find myself re-raising here often. |
bet raise 3bet = a four or boat on that board and a queen gets away easily. Bet/raise/call check turn looks like a flush draw line but could also be a c/r turn line meaning our opp puts lots more in behind.
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gabe
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we are beat too often i hand 1, he has to give you credit for a good hand
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yea thats what i think, but there must be a better way to find out while getting value from worse hands.
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Miffed22001
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we are beat too often i hand 1, he has to give you credit for a good hand
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yea thats what i think, but there must be a better way to find out while getting value from worse hands. |
is a c/c flop and lead turn too transparent/explotable in that situation. Is a c/r folding to a 3bet a better play. FWIW, i dont like this situation and tend to fold anything less than tptk which i probably stack off with against the right opponent.
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hand 1 is tough in a vaccum
hand 2 I like check-raising a non-heart turn
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when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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gabe
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is a c/c flop and lead turn too transparent/explotable in that situation. Is a c/r folding to a 3bet a better play. F.
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i think both of those are good. theres really alot of ways to play this that arent bad
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