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Genitruc
Old 07-15-2008, 10:07 AM     Post subject: 4 bet pot : 2 pair yay or nay #1 (permalink)  
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 This is the 1st time I've 4-bet him.

We have been tangling a ton, mainly with him playing tight oop (he’s only rr me and he’s 3 betting pretty small, prob too small for stack sizes imo).

I’ve been caught bluffing in about 4 big pots. Each time, I’ve grinded back only to get caught bluffing/coolered and restart.

I don’t know what to make of the riv tbh. I guess it’s just a *sigh* and fold?

He overbet once earlier in the match and he had a straight flush that I paid off with 2 pair.

Table "Tewksbury" Seat 6 is the button.
Seat 2: Hasse23 ($403.40 in chips)
Seat 6: HERO ($356.40 in chips)
HERO: posts small blind $1
Hasse23: posts big blind $2
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to HERO
HERO: raises to $7
Hasse23: raises to $22
HERO: raises to $49
Hasse23: calls $27
----- FLOP -----
Hasse23: checks
HERO: checks
----- TURN -----
Hasse23: bets $33
HERO: calls $33
----- RIVER -----
Hasse23: bets $321.40 and is all-in
HERO
when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
 
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Old 07-15-2008, 10:32 AM #2 (permalink)  
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snap!

only hands u dont beat are AJ and JJ ... im curious why u even ask? flushes and straights are irrelevant in 3bet pots ... this is a 4bet pot, makes it even less relevant.
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Old 07-15-2008, 10:37 AM #3 (permalink)  
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snap!

only hands u dont beat are AJ and JJ ... im curious why u even ask? flushes and straights are irrelevant in 3bet pots ... this is a 4bet pot, makes it even less relevant.
just for fun let's put him on a hand?
when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
 
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Marshall28
Old 07-15-2008, 10:57 AM #4 (permalink)  
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my bad, didnt realize how deep u were, sorry i didnt pay that close attention, i figured it was like 100 more to call or something and figured u couldnt get away.

most strong players advocate these tiny 4bets in order to be able to do them more often as bluffs, personally i don't like it unless im up against a player i perceive to be very strong and to understand the nature of the situation. for these reasons in general i like my 4bets to be much bigger ...

against weak players, they are going to make the obvious mistake and call it too much which will end up being the correct play on accident since u r 4betting light, he'll end up calling w/ hands that have u dominated and u end up putting yourself in sick spots post flop, like this one.

after realizing how big of an overbet this is I think i sigh and fold as well ... looks too much like u have Ax and hes trying to get value from it. in order to call you'd have to think that he is capable of realizing that situation and that it's an optimal time for him to bluff shove 300 bucks into a 160$ pot expecting u to come to this conclusion.

a good player would definitely know that u cant have AA or AJ here, i really think it depends on how good u perceive him to be and what u perceive him to think about your mental state after calling the previous overbet w/ 2pr.
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Old 07-15-2008, 03:28 PM #5 (permalink)  
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 I'm pretty sure this guy's value overbeting range does not include AK, so fold.
 
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Old 07-15-2008, 05:11 PM #6 (permalink)  
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